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02-02-2010, 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by flyguy View Post
Yes, but winning a Stanley Cup is the ultimate goal for any individual playing the game in the first place. No matter how much you have contributed to the team, if you didn't get the silver bowl, you didn't accomplish your ultimate goal. He had a great career and was a great player, no doubt. But getting your number retired by this team comes with specific requirements, one of which he didn't meet. I'm sure Howe is okay with not having his number retired, as it is what the franchise has decided the requirements are.
Well then the requirements are just dumb. I bet if you went around the Wach, most fans probably wouldn't know who he was which is criminal for a top-5 guy in franchise history.

I dunno, I'm sure MSE will chip in immensely, but it's a damn shame that his career has seemingly been swept under the rug.

He played LW in the WHA before making the switch to D and still become an elite 2-way D. Also didn't make it to the NHL because of the WHA until he was 24-25 years old.

If you switch 4 WHA seasons to NHL ones and hypothesize that he averages around 50 points per season which is very reasonable IMO, he ends up with 950 points which would put him 10th in the NHL in scoring for a d-man (just ahead of Chelios) behind Bourque, Coffey, MacInnis, Housley, Murphy, Potvin, Lidstrom, Leetch, and Robinson.

And it's not like he was solely an offensive D, he was a great 2-way guy, he's 6th all-time among d-men in +/- and again, if you want to throw hypothetical WHA years into it, he's easily into the top-5 and in Dennis Potvin territory.

I guess this is just an issue I feel really strongly about, but he really is one of the most underrated players in NHL history.

It's an absolute travesty that he isn't in the Hall,

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