Who do you think (if anyone) should have their jersey retired for the Flyers?
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02-02-2010, 10:16 PM
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Location: Anchorage, Alaska
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Well then the requirements are just dumb. I bet if you went around the Wach, most fans probably wouldn't know who he was which is criminal for a top-5 guy in franchise history.
I dunno, I'm sure MSE will chip in immensely, but it's a damn shame that his career has seemingly been swept under the rug.
He played LW in the WHA before making the switch to D and still become an elite 2-way D. Also didn't make it to the NHL because of the WHA until he was 24-25 years old.
If you switch 4 WHA seasons to NHL ones and hypothesize that he averages around 50 points per season which is very reasonable IMO, he ends up with 950 points which would put him 10th in the NHL in scoring for a d-man (just ahead of Chelios) behind Bourque, Coffey, MacInnis, Housley, Murphy, Potvin, Lidstrom, Leetch, and Robinson.
And it's not like he was solely an offensive D, he was a great 2-way guy, he's 6th all-time among d-men in +/- and again, if you want to throw hypothetical WHA years into it, he's easily into the top-5 and in Dennis Potvin territory.
I guess this is just an issue I feel really strongly about, but he really is one of the most underrated players in NHL history.
It's an absolute travesty that he isn't in the Hall,
I agree that he is underrated and should have gotten into the Hall, but that's not what we're arguing about here. Also, all the stats you bring up have to be rethunk because Howe played the majority of his career in a high scoring era. If he played in the 70s or 90s how would his numbers match up all time? It's the reason why Coffey, Bourque, and MacInnis will never touch Orr among others.
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