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02-20-2010, 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Leafs Forever View Post
We don't value players on what they might have/probably would have done/will do. It really messes things up, and it's really just speculation-we don't know for sure if those players would have accomplished those things without injury or other factors.

Again, what the heck are you basing that off of? Let's run down Howe's accomplishments, clearly something you need to clearly be educated on:

-6 Art Ross Trophies
-6 Hart Trophies-as many as Lemieux and Orr combined
-Led in NHL goals 5 times
-Led in NHL assists 3 times
-First or Second Team All-Star 21 times in 22 seasons
-Top 5 in NHL goals 13 times
-Top 5 in NHL assist 17 times
-Very accomplished all-around player- very tough- great defensively.

And he accomplished all of this while ALWAYS playing against the best hockey players in the world, something Khlarmov did not do. How many times did Khlarmov lead his weaker league in scoring? How many times did he come 1st in MVP voting in his league?

Howe won 4 Stanley Cups in his 193 Year Career, 6 Hart trophies, All Star teams, blah blahblah sounds good right? Too bad there were 6 teams and even less teams than what Kharlamov had to compete against.
The Ussr league had around 9 teams. He led his championship team in points nearly every year.
You claim the USSR league was weaker? Why did the Soviet Union (Basically USSR league all stars) win every Super Series against NHL All Star teams?
Kharlamov played in a more advanced time. Howe only played against other Canucks.
Howe accomplished nothing Internationally, and I mean nothing. No Olympic competition understood, but still. It was a time when the NHL was afraid to play against the Soviets.

-11 time USSR championship
-8 WC Winner
-2 Time OLY. Gold Medalist (We'll talk about '80 a different day.)
-USSR League MVP 1972, 1973
-USSR All Star Team 1971-1976, 1978
-Scoring champion (goals) 1971
-Scoring champion (points) 1972
-IIHF All Star: 1972, 1973, 1975, 1976
-Inducted into Hockey Hall of Fame in 2005

By the way Canadians, If it weren't for Bobby Clarke fracturing Kharlamov's ankle in game 6, you lose the Summit Series.

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