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02-20-2010, 02:18 PM
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Howe won 4 Stanley Cups in his 193 Year Career, 6 Hart trophies, All Star teams, blah blahblah sounds good right? Too bad there were 6 teams and even less teams than what Kharlamov had to compete against.
The Ussr league had around 9 teams. He led his championship team in points nearly every year.
You claim the USSR league was weaker? Why did the Soviet Union (Basically USSR league all stars) win every Super Series against NHL All Star teams?
Kharlamov played in a more advanced time. Howe only played against other Canucks.
Howe accomplished nothing Internationally, and I mean nothing. No Olympic competition understood, but still.
It was a time when the NHL was afraid to play against the Soviets.
-11 time USSR championship
-8 WC Winner
-2 Time OLY. Gold Medalist (We'll talk about '80 a different day.)
-USSR League MVP 1972, 1973
-USSR All Star Team 1971-1976, 1978
-Scoring champion (goals) 1971
-Scoring champion (points) 1972
-IIHF All Star: 1972, 1973, 1975, 1976
-Inducted into Hockey Hall of Fame in 2005
By the way Canadians, If it weren't for Bobby Clarke fracturing Kharlamov's ankle in game 6, you lose the Summit Series.
Those Soviet national teams were losing to Canadian
(players who probably mostly weren't good enough for the AHL, let alone the NHL) during Howe's career. Sorry, but Canada vs USSR in a best-on-best format in the 1950's would have seen scores similar to the ones the Canadian women's hockey team is putting up at the Olympics right now.
Even if you considered the Soviet league the complete equal of the NHL (which it most certainly wasn't), Kharlamov's accomplishments still fall far, far short of Howe's. There is considerable debate as the whether or not Kharlamov was even the best in his league. Tretiak's MVP voting record is far superior, and people make arguments for guys like Firsov and Mikhailov routinely.
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