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04-10-2010, 01:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Banks3rdLineCenter View Post
Girardi hasn't been exclusively paired with Staal.
I second this, in fact,... Girardi is only paired with Staal when opposing teams load their top line. And why would Torts do this, when Rosy is playing so well? That's how good Girardi is.

Originally Posted by f2d View Post
If you really want to rank defensemen purely on stats, you need to look at how many quality scoring chances they cough up per 60 minutes of ice time. How many odd man rushes, breakaways they give, etc.

Whether or not the shot goes in doesn't really matter, that's the goalie's problem. The only thing that's in the defenseman's control is what type of shots get to the net
This is true. But it is also true the less scoring chances you give up, the less goals against. So there is a definite corelation if you just use the goals against to get an idea of how many scoring chances they allowed (How bad or good defensively they've been).

Originally Posted by James Mirtle View Post
It's crediting players who play against opponents' top lines and rarely get scored on.

A lot of players ring up high goal or point totals that aren't truly indicative of their talent level but came as a result of playing with good linemates, in the right situation or plain old luck.

No statistical measures are perfect -- I'm simply looking for something more useful than plus-minus to gauge defensive play.
Plus-Minus is a joke to gauge D for individual players. Glad to see you chime in. Keep up the good work.

Originally Posted by Banks3rdLineCenter View Post
Awesome jinx thread.
Is that funny or what.

What was that,.. like 5 seconds into the game?

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