[B]Youth movement? Not likely with THIS draft history[/B]
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09-29-2003, 10:07 AM
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This is an update of a previous post at another board when I was having my usual fun slagging Pat Quinn and his abysmal drafting record. Given Quinn's draft record, fans should
be concerned when he trades away high draft picks because he cannot get it right when drafting high anyway. Mind you the Laffs were terrible before Quinn arrived on the scene.
George Gross, normally one of the biggest apologists for the MLSE , has been forced to write what has been painfully obvious to all but the brain dead ? the Laffs do not know how to draft. This is particularly germane at the moment as the team is allegedly going with ?youth? on the back line. Given the past draft history this is not a strategy that appears workable.
Gross had the chance to see the team?s analysis of its draft record and it is not a pretty sight. Bear in mind this comes from a document entitled ?NHL Draft Analysis 1990-2002." which was produced by what is laughingly referred to as a ?scouting department? for this hapless bunch of fools. Gross writes:
?A focal point for analysis by the Leafs brass centred on the percentage of players drafted during the period who subsequently played at least 100 games in the NHL.
Surprisingly, the Carolina Hurricanes were on top, with 25 of their 116 drafted players, or 21.6%, breaking the century mark for NHL games played.
The Hurricanes were followed by the Vancouver Canucks (27 of 127, 21.3%) and the San Jose Sharks (24 of 113, 21.2%). The other top-five clubs were the New Jersey Devils (31 of 147, 21.0%) and Colorado Avalanche (30 of 149, 20.1%)
And where were the Leafs, you might ask? The Buds landed in the marginal territory of 17th overall with a record of 20 of 132, or 15.2%. And there may lie one of the key reasons that the team hasn't won the Stanley Cup in recent memory.
With the exception of the Sharks, all the teams noted above played in the Stanley Cup final in the past 10 years, and New Jersey and Colorado have won it all multiple times.
This particular analysis gets even worse for the Leafs for players drafted in the past five years who have managed to play at least 50 NHL games. Surprisingly Colorado (nine) and New Jersey (seven) are the top two, even though both were slated to draft very late in each round because of their high regular-season finishes. Not surprisingly, the Florida Panthers and Tampa Bay Lightning also had seven players.
The Leafs? I had to pull out my magnifying glass because they were in LAST place with ONE player making the grade.?
Let?s take a closer look at the Laffable drafting record. Go back to the infamous 1989 Draft when they had three first round picks and check it out. The last five years analysed have been particularly brutal and while it is true that you cannot lay the entire blame at the feet of Quinn and his incredibly poorly performing chief scout, Mike Penny for the entire period ? bear in mind that prior to relocating to Toronto, Quinn and Penny did their draft comedy routine on the West Coast. Some of the worst first picks of all-time were made during Quinn?s tenure in Vancouver (with their over-all position noted) including Jason Herter (8), Shawn Antoski (18), Alek Stojanov (7), Libor Polasek (21), Mike Wilson (20), Chris McAllister (40) and Josh Holden (12). A record of true futility.
For fun (well my fun anyway and all those who are not Toronto centric homers) I have compiled a list of Laffs drafts from the 1989 disaster up to 2000. I did not go later as those picks have yet to develop and most would agree if you cannot get it right in your top three picks you are unlikely to mine the depths of the draft successfully. The only draft which may be termed successful for this sad excuse for a franchise would be the 1990 draft.
Note the Laffs have started as low as 57 before this year when they selected the immortal Jeff Farkas in 1997. I have listed the first three picks (except for 1989 where I have listed 4) and the drafting position as well as the player's career games with the Laffs and NHL as well as how he was moved (if he was). I have also noted some notable NHL'ers who were still available when the selection was made and placed them in brackets.
In many cases (as in this year) the Laffs have started far down the draft order but that is more often due to bad GM'ing rather than great play during the season. Read 'em and weep.
3 C Scott Thornton 33 games with Leafs,652 NHL games, traded to Edmonton with Vincent Damphousse, Peter Ing, Luke Richardson, future considerations and cash for Grant Fuhr, Glenn Anderson and Craig Berube, September 1991 (Stu Barnes, Bill Guerin, Bobby Holik)
12 R Rob Pearson 192 games with Leafs, 77 other NHL games, last played in Germany for the Frankfurt Lions in 2001 (Kevin Haller, Olaf Kolzig, Steven Rice)
21 D Steve Bancroft 0 games with Leafs, 6 NHL games, traded to Boston by Toronto for Rob Cimetta in November 1990, playing in the AHL (next three picks- Adam Foote, Travis Green and Kent Manderville, Mike Craig, Patrice Brisebois, Bob Boughner, Greg Johnson, Byron Dafoe, Paul Laus, Ted Drury, Rob Zamuner, Scott Pellerin, Louie DeBrusk, Nicklas Lidstrom, Wes Walz, Jason Woolley, Kris Draper)
66 D Matt Martin 76 games with Leafs, 0 other NHL games, signed as a free agent by Dallas, July 1998, 2002-03 played for the Idaho Steelheads of the WCHL (Jim Cummins, Robert Reichel, Jim McKenzie, Sergei Fedorov, Josef Beranek, Trent Klatt, Aaron Miller, Pavel Bure, Dallas Drake, Derek Plante, Donald Audette, Vladimir Malakhov, Arturs Irbe, Vladimir Konstantinov)
10 D Drake Berehowsky 124 games with Leafs, 493 total NHL games, traded to Pittsburgh by Toronto for Grant Jennings in April 1995 (Trevor Kidd, Turner Stevenson, Brad May, Karl Dykhuis, Keith Tkachuk, Martin Brodeur, Bryan Smolinski, Jiri Slegr, Chris Simon)
31 G Felix Potvin 418 games with Leafs, 681 total NHL games, traded to New York Islanders with 6th round choice in 1999 Entry Draft for Bryan Berard and Islanders' 6th round pick (Jan Sochor) in 1999 Entry Draft in January 1999 (Doug Weight, Geoff Sanderson, Slava Kozlov, Chris Therien)
73 C Darby Hendrickson 235 games with Leafs, 484 total NHL games, traded to Islanders with Sean Haggerty, Kenny Jonsson and Toronto's 1st round choice (Roberto Luongo) in 1997 Entry Draft for Wendel Clark, Mathieu Schneider and D.J. Smith in March 1996, traded back to Toronto by the Islanders for a conditional choice in 1998 Entry Draft in October 1996 ? currently playing with Minnesota (Alexei Zhamnov, Sergei Zubov, Gino Odjick, Richard Smehlik, Craig Conroy, Jason York, Robert Lang, Andrei Kovalenko, Peter Bondra, Alexander Karpovtsev, Ken Klee, Valeri Zelepukin, Sergei Nemchinov)
47 C Yanic Perreault,13 initial games with Leafs, 602 total NHL games, traded to LA for 4th round choice in 1996 Entry Draft in July 1994, traded back to Toronto for Jason Podollan and a 3rd round pick in 1999 Entry Draft in March 1999, signed as a free agent by Montreal in July 2001 (Sandy McCarthy, Chris Osgood, Steve Konowalchuk, Michael Nylander, Nathan LaFayette, Dave Karpa)
69 R Terry Chitaroni, 0 games in the NHL (Igor Kravchuk, Mike Knuble, Alexei Zhitnik, Juha Ylonen, Steve Shields)
102 C Alexei Kudashov 25 games with Leafs, returned to Europe 1995 (Mariusz Czerkawski, Bill Lindsay, Dmitri Yushkevich, Sean O'Donnell, Brian Holzinger, Oleg Petrov, Andreas Johansson, Andrei Lomakin, Janne Laukkanen, Brian Savage, Igor Ulanov)
8 C Brandon Convery, 50 games with Leafs, 72 total NHL games,traded to Vancouver for Lonny Bohonos in March 1998, claimed on waivers by Los Angels in November 1998, now playing in Switzerland (Robert Petrovicky, Andrei Nazarov, Sergei Krivokrasov, Sergei Gonchar, Jason Smith, Martin Straka)
23 R Grant Marshall 0 games with Leafs, 559 total NHL games 1994, sent to the Dallas Stars with Peter Zezel as compensation for Leafs' signing Mike Craig, 2001 traded to Columbus, 2003 traded to NJ ,TWO STANLEY CUPS,(Boris Mironov, Valeri Bure, Jeff Shantz, Igor Korolev, Mike Peca, Sergei Brylin, Darren McCarty, Andrei Nikolishin, Mattias Norstrom , Manny Fernandez, Sergei Zholtok, Kirk Maltby, Cale Hulse, Craig Rivet, Eric Cairns, Aaron Gavey)
77 R Nikolai Borschevsky 142 games with Leafs, 162 total NHL games, traded for Calgary's 6th round choice (Chris Bogas) in 1996 Entry Draft in April 1995, signed as a free agent by Dallas in September 1995 and now playing in Russia (Robert Svehla #78, Matthew Barnaby, Jere Lehtinen, Marcus Ragnarsson, Adrian Aucoin, Rem Murray, Ian Laperriere, Stephane Yelle, Nikolai Khabibulin, Anson Carter, Jonas Hoglund, Dan McGillis,)
12 D Kenny Jonsson 89 games and traded to the NYI (where he has played for 9 seasons) with Sean Haggerty, Darby Hendrickson and Toronto's 1st round choice (Roberto Luongo) in 1997 Entry Draft for Wendel Clark, Mathieu Schneider and D.J. Smith in March 1996 ( Adam Deadmarsh, Jason Allison,)
19 R Landon Wilson 0 games with Leafs, 294 NHL games, his rights were traded June 1994 with Wendel Clark, Sylvain Lefebvre and a first-round draft pick to the Québec Nordiques (Avs) for Mats Sundin, Garth Butcher, Todd Warriner and a first-round draft pick, 1996 traded to the Bruins, 2000 signed as free agent with the Coyotes,(Mike Wilson, Saku Koivu, Todd Bertuzzi, Jay Pandolfo, Jamie Langenbrunner, Janne Niinimaa, Brendan Morrison, Bryan McCabe, Kevin Weekes, Jamie Rivers, Krzysztof Oliwa, Vaclav Prospal, Marek Malik, Eric Daze, Miroslav Satan, Tommy Salo)
123 R Zdenek Nedved, 31 games with Leafs, 1998 back in Europe (Scott Walker, Michal Grosek, Darcy Tucker, Todd Marchant, Darren Van Impe, Andrew Brunette, Eric Boguniecki, Hal Gill, Mike Grier, Pavol Demitra, German Titov)
16 G Eric Fichaud, 0 games with Leafs, 95 NHL games traded to NYI for Benoit Hogue, New York Islanders' 3rd round choice (Ryan Pepperall) in 1995 Entry Draft and 5th round choice (Brandon Sugden) in 1996 Entry Draft in April 1995, currently in the AHL (Wayne Primeau, Chris Dingman, Dan Cloutier, Deron Quint, Ryan Johnson, Dave Scatchard, Curtis Brown, Jose Theodore)
48 L Sean Haggerty 1 game with Leafs, 14 total NHL games, traded to NYI with Darby Hendrickson, Kenny Jonsson and Toronto's 1st round choice (Roberto Luongo) in 1997 Entry Draft for Wendel Clark, Mathieu Schnieder and D.J. Smith in March 1996, claimed by Nashville from NYIoff waivers in May 2000, now out of hockey (the next three picks were Mathieu Dandenault, Richard Park and Patrik Elias - Chris Murray, Vitali Yachmenev, Jason Strudwick)
64 L Fredrik Modin 167 games with Leafs, 503 total NHL games, October 1999 traded to Tampa Bay for Cory Cross and a seventh-round draft pick in 2001, (Sheldon Souray, Chris Drury, Milan Hejduk, Vaclav Varada, Brad Lukowich, Pavel Trnka, Marty Turco, Jon (Bates) Battaglia, Daniel Alfredsson, Bryce Salvador, Alexander Selivanov, Colin Forbes, Steve Webb, Evgeny Nabokov, Bill Muckalt, Tomas Vokoun, Steve Sullivan, Tyson Nash, Richard Zednik, Tomas Holmstrom, Kim Johnsson)
15 D Jeff Ware 15 games with Leafs, 21 total NHL games, traded to Florida for David Nemirovsky February 1999, signed as a free agent by Columbus in 2001, retired from AHL 2002 (Martin Biron, Petr Sykora, Brian Boucher, Marc Denis, Maxim Kuznetsov, Georges Laraque, Marc Chouinard, Jochen Hecht)
54 R Ryan Pepperall O games with Leafs and 0 NHL games, retired in 2002 after playing for the BC Icemen of the UHL (Vladimir Tsyplakov, Peter Schaefer, Brad Isbister, Alyn McCauley, Sami Kapanen, Daniel Tjarnqvist, Marc Savard, Michal Handzus, Miikka Kiprusoff, Jan Hrdina,
139 G Doug Bonner 0 games for Leafs, 0 NHL games, career minor leaguer, retired in 2001 (Brent Sopel, Clarke Wilm, Denis Hamel, Stephane Robidas, Peter Worrell, P.J. Axelsson, Jean-Luc Grand-Pierre, Filip Kuba)
36 D Marek Posmyk 0 games with Leafs, 19 total NHL games traded to Tampa Bay with Mike Johnson and 5th and 6th round draft picks in 2000 Entry Draft for Darcy Tucker and a 4th round draft pick in 2000 Entry Draft and a conditional draft pick in 2001 Entry Draft in February 2000, signed as a free agent with Continental Zlin (Czech-Rep)August 2001 (Steve Begin, Jan Bulis, Mathieu Garon, Colin White)
50 G Francis Larivee 0 games for Leafs and in NHL, career minor leaguer retired 2001 (Zdeno Chara, Tom Poti, Scott Parker, Oleg Kvasha)
66 D Mike Lankshear 0 games Leafs and NHL, career minor leaguer now playing in Scotland for the Newcastle Vipers (Mark Parrish, Arron Asham, Gordie Dwyer)
57 F Jeff Farkas, 8 games with Leafs, 11 total NHL games, traded to Vancouver for Josh Holden, June 2002, traded to Atlanta for Chris Nielsen and Chris Herperger, January 2003 (next pick-Jani Hurme, Maxim Afinogenov, Ville Nieminen)
84 R Adam Mair, 29 games as Leaf, 89 total NHL games, traded to Los Angeles with a 2nd round draft pick in 2001 Entry Draft for Aki Berg, March 2001, traded to Buffalo with a 5th round pick in 2003 Entry Draft for Erik Rasmussen, July 2002 (Shane Willis, Ivan Novoseltsev,)
111 L Frank Mrazek 0 games with Leafs, 0 NHL games, returned to Czechoslovakia in 2001, (Magnus Arvedson, Jason Chimera, Kyle Calder, Mike York, Matt Cooke, Brian Campbell, David Aebischer, Todd Fedoruk, Ladislav Nagy, Antti Laaksonen, Andrew Ference, Mark Smith, Karel Rachunek)
10 C Nikolai Antropov, 201 games with Leafs (Alex Tanguay, Dmitri Kalinin, Robyn Regehr, Scott Parker, Simon Gagne, Milan Kraft, Jiri Fischer, Scott Gomez, Artem Chubarov)
35 D Petr Svoboda, 18 games with Leafs (Ossi Vaananen, Mike Fisher, Mike Ribeiro, Jonathan Girard, Denis Arkhipov, Brad Richards, Jarkko Ruutu)
69 G Jamie Hodson, O games with Leafs & NHL, in the ECHL (Erik Cole, Brian Gionta, Josef Vasicek, Tommy Westlund, Shawn Horcoff, Petr Schastlivy, Jaroslav Spacek, Jiri Dopita, Tomas Kloucek, Mikael Samuelsson, Chris Neil, Andrei Markov, Ales Kotalik, Pavel Datsyuk, Niko Kapanen, Tyler Arnason, Karlis Skrastins)
24 C Luca Cereda, 0 games with Leafs (Martin Havlat, Alexei Semenov, Alex Auld, Mike Commodore, Jordan Leopold, Sheldon Keefe, Adam Hall)
60 D Peter Reynolds, 0 Leafs & NHL games, re-entered NHL Entry Draft, Carolina's 9th round pick in 2001 Entry Draft (274th Overall) playing in the ECHL (Niklas Hagman, Frantisek Kaberle, Niclas Havelid, Mike Comrie, Branko Radivojevic)
108 L Mirko Murovic 0 Leafs & NHL games, returned to Europe and plays in the Swiss League (Martin Prusek, Martin Erat, Henrik Zetterberg, Radim Vrbata, Radek Martinek, Petr Tenkrat, Alexander Khavanov, Mikko Eloranta)
24 C Brad Boyes 0 games with Leafs & NHL, traded to San Jose with Alyn McCauley and a 1st round pick in 2003 Entry Draft in March 2003 for Owen Nolan (Brian Sutherby, Justin Williams, Nick Schultz)
51 L Kristopher Vernarsky 0 games with Leafs, 14 NHL games for Boston, traded to Boston for Richard Jackman May 2002 (Andreas Lilja, Ivan Huml)
70 G Mikael Tellqvist 3 games with Leafs (Michael Rupp, Alexander Kharitonov, Kurt Sauer, Niclas Wallin)
And this is an organization that intends to rely upon its youth??? LOL and ROTFLMAO.
Good God...thankfully you brought this to our attention.
We can all read the papers...and yes its true the Leafs have a poor drafting record in the past. But why are you making this point...hmmmm, TROLL.
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