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Originally Posted by DIEHARD the King fan View Post
OK, I stayed out for a while, but some points NEED to be made:

1) Its never been confirmed by ANYONE that Cammy would not have signed here had the money been right. The fact remains that he spends lots of off-season time here and has NOT SOLD HIS HOUSE in Manhattan Beach. He likes Los Angeles.
Quite a few hockey players have homes in the LA area. Kovalchuk has a home in Florida, doesn't mean he is going to play for the Panthers if they offered him his $7.5.

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2) DL does not like Cammy as a person. I heard it from his own mouth. Find it in the other threads where I've mentioned it. People, even those in business dont say things like that just because it business. There were real reasons why I named DL a shill a while back. His public vs. his private comments about Cammy being one of the main reasons.
Yeah, he didn't like him, so?

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3) DL did not believe Cammy was worth anywhere near the money he was asking. DL knew that the 6MM demand was posturing, and an initial demand based on Cammy, acting as his team's NHLPA rep, trying to bring up, league wide, player salaries by tying his demand to Vaneks offer sheet. Thats from DL himself, no speculation, no guessing. That is what DL knew. He was not going to even negotiate.
No one believed Cammy was worth anywhere near the money he was asking. We also know why the demand was made and the basis behind it, but we have no idea what the negotiations entailed. They only talked about offers given, not negotiations, there were talks, just not much in the way of offers.

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4) Keeping Cammy would not have handcuffed the Kings anymore than Ryan Smyth's contract currently does and maybe less, because Cammy would have signed for less. Simply put, every negotiator knows that you always ask for far more than you are willing to accept, so you can compromise and still get what you really want. The fact that he got 6MM from Montreal is based far more on his SUBSEQUENT almost 40 goal and almost ppg season with Calgary than his speculated steadfastness at taking nothing less than 6MM from the Kings.
Smyth brings more to the table than just goal scoring, and of course his $6 million from Montreal was based on his play in Calgary?

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5) Sure Cammy can say, AFTER PLAYING in Calgary and/or Montreal that he as a result realized that he has always wanted to do that, but if DL had negotiated in good faith, IF HE HAD WANTED CAMMY (which he didnt) and Cammy had signed a 4-5year contract at 4.5-5MM per year, he wouldn't have had that experience to shape his "realizations." There is nothing from when Cammy was here that said he wanted to be somewhere else. In an interview quoted in aother thread from a time pre-dating my membership, Cammy said he wanted to be here and was looking forward to seeing what the team would do. he was asked point blank if he saw himself as a member of the team next year and he said he did. As many of you are fond of saying, hindsight is 20/20. When you talk about Cammy not wanting to be here, you place the cart before the horse. DL DIDNT WANT HIM HERE, so how can you possibly blame that on Cammy.
Every player says that. Kovalchuk said that about the Thrashers.

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6) Scoring (sniper-like) goals is something you cant teach, and some people have a knack for it and others dont. Cammy has that knack, a quick release and accurate placement. He finds seams and for a player his size, he plays a lot bigger.
That he does, it will be good when we get another player on this team that can.

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The facts are that DL decided he didnt want him here and basically let him know that by his actions in contracts "negotiations" if they could be called that. To blame a player and say he didnt want to stay here when the GM basically says and acts like you are a POS is at best biased and at worst dishonest and deceptive.
DL's opinion of Cammy has no basis on what was said during negotiations. DL would know more than anyone whether a player wanted to stay or not.

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