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seanlinden · 07-07-2010, 03:43 PM

Do we really need another repeat of the last thread????

Let's try and clarify the insanity....

The Leafs do not have a good team, and it is because the have no top line LW and their #1 centre is Mikhail Grabovski; not because the Leafs need more 2nd-and-3rd line talent. They've got a good top line RW (Kessel), a pair of 2nd line centres (Grabo & Bozak), a pair of 2nd line wingers (Kulemin & Verseeeg), 4 solid "bottom 6" wingers with a couple young guys to challenge (Armstrong, Sjostrom, Brown, Orr + Caputi/Hanson), and a 4th line centre (Mitchell). On D, they've got a group that should be very solid if tehy stay healthy, and in goaltending, they've got hope, but Burke has stated that he has no in making a move at this point in time. We problably could use a #3 centre two-way centre, but that really isn't too big of an issue when the Leafs cold sign a player like Brendan Morrison or Eric Belanger.

Trading Kaberle would create another hole, in the form of a puckmoving #4 defenceman to play with Mike Komisarek; who as most of the league knows, is completely useless when it comes to handling the puck.

Burke has stated his intentions to improve this teams on-ice performance immidiately; so any trade that happens must go towards accomplishing that. Otherwise, the Leafs are better off to resign him long term, like he has repeatedly stated a desire to do. This means that any player / package the Leafs trade Kaberle for must fullfill the following needs; and do it IN A BETTER FASHION THAN SIGNING ONE OF THE AVAILABLE REMAINING FREE AGENTS, because the Leafs do have enough cap space to sign pretty much anyone left on the market but Kovalchuk. The players acquired also must have a future with the Leafs, because they are not gearing up for a 1-year run.

Top Line LW w/ Size
Upgrade on Grabovski
Replacement puckmoving blueliner

Now, you'll notice that every one of these assets are "now" assets; which poses a difficulty because any team acquiring Kaberle must have an urgency for a puckmoving blueliner now; and the teams who are in win-now mode have no interest in trading valuable players.

So, you look at teams around the league and ask yourself, who would really want Kaberle to the point where they'd value him with 1 year left on the deal as greater than the Leafs would with an extension in place; and be willing to part with a roster asset that would hold as much value to the Leafs. Looking at the usual culprits....

Anaheim - Nope, they have a puckmover in Visnovsky and aren't really in a position to gear up for a run right now.

Boston - Possibly, likely depends on how much Wheeler costs them.

Buffalo - Nope, they got Leopold and Myers can move the puck. They are not gearing up for a 1-year run. They do not have an abundance of talent at the position of the player the Leafs would demand in return (Roy).

Dallas - Nope, need a puckmover but are not in a win-now mode.

Los Angeles - They have Doughty + Johnson, and would be unwilling to part with the player the Leafs need (JJ or Brown).

New Jersey - Do not have the cap space to make more additions. Tallinder will have to suffice.

San Jose - Have Dan Boyle and would be unwilling to part with anything that suits our needs and is better than keeping Kaberle + signing free agents.

Remember that it takes two teams to make a trade; if your team wants Tomas Kaberle, chances are that the Leafs are going to want your most valuable players. If you don't have the right players for the Leafs, we're most likely not interested in talking to you. Amongst the teams listed above, there are many players that the Leafs would be interested in adding at teh cost of Tomas Kaberle (depending on the player it could be Kaberle+ for Player or Player+ for Kaberle), unless you are willing to part with one of those players, the Leafs aren't interested in dealing Tomas Kaberle. Everyone else is either not good enough to fill one of the holes in our lineup, paid too much money, or not a signficant enough upgrade on whats available in the free agent market.

They are (in team order): Bobby Ryan, Ryan Getzlaf, Corey Perry, Marc Savard, Patrice Bergeron, David Krejci, Derek Roy, James Neal, Loui Eriksson, Jamie Benn, Anze Kopitar, Drew Doughty, Dustin Brown, Jack Johnson, Zach Parise, Travis Zajac, Patrik Elias, Joe Thornton, Patrick Marleau, Joe Pavelski.

Should any of those teams part with one of those players for a deal that involves Tomas Kaberle? Problably not. The only one you could make a case for is Boston and they have plenty of cap issues to deal with, plus they'd have to be extremely confident in their ability to resign him. Therefore, these types of threads are useless. Moving a player with salary at this time of year for something that improves your team is next to impossible unless you are able to find a perfect fit. The perfect fit for Tomas Kaberle is in Toronto.

07-07-2010, 03:43 PM	#41
seanlinden Registered User Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 15,454 vCash: 500	Do we really need another repeat of the last thread???? Let's try and clarify the insanity.... The Leafs do not have a good team, and it is because the have no top line LW and their #1 centre is Mikhail Grabovski; not because the Leafs need more 2nd-and-3rd line talent. They've got a good top line RW (Kessel), a pair of 2nd line centres (Grabo & Bozak), a pair of 2nd line wingers (Kulemin & Verseeeg), 4 solid "bottom 6" wingers with a couple young guys to challenge (Armstrong, Sjostrom, Brown, Orr + Caputi/Hanson), and a 4th line centre (Mitchell). On D, they've got a group that should be very solid if tehy stay healthy, and in goaltending, they've got hope, but Burke has stated that he has no in making a move at this point in time. We problably could use a #3 centre two-way centre, but that really isn't too big of an issue when the Leafs cold sign a player like Brendan Morrison or Eric Belanger. Trading Kaberle would create another hole, in the form of a puckmoving #4 defenceman to play with Mike Komisarek; who as most of the league knows, is completely useless when it comes to handling the puck. Burke has stated his intentions to improve this teams on-ice performance immidiately; so any trade that happens must go towards accomplishing that. Otherwise, the Leafs are better off to resign him long term, like he has repeatedly stated a desire to do. This means that any player / package the Leafs trade Kaberle for must fullfill the following needs; and do it IN A BETTER FASHION THAN SIGNING ONE OF THE AVAILABLE REMAINING FREE AGENTS, because the Leafs do have enough cap space to sign pretty much anyone left on the market but Kovalchuk. The players acquired also must have a future with the Leafs, because they are not gearing up for a 1-year run. Top Line LW w/ Size Upgrade on Grabovski Replacement puckmoving blueliner Now, you'll notice that every one of these assets are "now" assets; which poses a difficulty because any team acquiring Kaberle must have an urgency for a puckmoving blueliner now; and the teams who are in win-now mode have no interest in trading valuable players. So, you look at teams around the league and ask yourself, who would really want Kaberle to the point where they'd value him with 1 year left on the deal as greater than the Leafs would with an extension in place; and be willing to part with a roster asset that would hold as much value to the Leafs. Looking at the usual culprits.... Anaheim - Nope, they have a puckmover in Visnovsky and aren't really in a position to gear up for a run right now. Boston - Possibly, likely depends on how much Wheeler costs them. Buffalo - Nope, they got Leopold and Myers can move the puck. They are not gearing up for a 1-year run. They do not have an abundance of talent at the position of the player the Leafs would demand in return (Roy). Dallas - Nope, need a puckmover but are not in a win-now mode. Los Angeles - They have Doughty + Johnson, and would be unwilling to part with the player the Leafs need (JJ or Brown). New Jersey - Do not have the cap space to make more additions. Tallinder will have to suffice. San Jose - Have Dan Boyle and would be unwilling to part with anything that suits our needs and is better than keeping Kaberle + signing free agents. Remember that it takes two teams to make a trade; if your team wants Tomas Kaberle, chances are that the Leafs are going to want your most valuable players. If you don't have the right players for the Leafs, we're most likely not interested in talking to you. Amongst the teams listed above, there are many players that the Leafs would be interested in adding at teh cost of Tomas Kaberle (depending on the player it could be Kaberle+ for Player or Player+ for Kaberle), unless you are willing to part with one of those players, the Leafs aren't interested in dealing Tomas Kaberle. Everyone else is either not good enough to fill one of the holes in our lineup, paid too much money, or not a signficant enough upgrade on whats available in the free agent market. They are (in team order): Bobby Ryan, Ryan Getzlaf, Corey Perry, Marc Savard, Patrice Bergeron, David Krejci, Derek Roy, James Neal, Loui Eriksson, Jamie Benn, Anze Kopitar, Drew Doughty, Dustin Brown, Jack Johnson, Zach Parise, Travis Zajac, Patrik Elias, Joe Thornton, Patrick Marleau, Joe Pavelski. Should any of those teams part with one of those players for a deal that involves Tomas Kaberle? Problably not. The only one you could make a case for is Boston and they have plenty of cap issues to deal with, plus they'd have to be extremely confident in their ability to resign him. Therefore, these types of threads are useless. Moving a player with salary at this time of year for something that improves your team is next to impossible unless you are able to find a perfect fit. The perfect fit for Tomas Kaberle is in Toronto.