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08-11-2010, 12:51 AM
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Are people just voting about who they'd want right now? The results here are insane ... they should be close-advantage-Modano not runaway-for-Selanne.

I don't like the argument that Modano played for a "stacked" Dallas team and that somehow devalues his numbers; yes that team was stacked, but not the way that term is generally used. A couple of skilled forwards playing with grinders in front of a dominant goalie / defense doesn't necessarily translate to big offensive numbers.
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Originally Posted by ushvinder View Post
I remember those 1997-1999 years like they were yesterday. After jagr, the conversation for the next best players was always between forsberg, selanne, kariya and whenever lindros was healthy. Modano wasn't even in the discussion.
Jagr, Forsberg, Selanne, Kariya and healthy Lindros were unquestionably the most situationally dominant skaters of the era. But Dom Hasek? Rob Blake? Chris Chelios? Joe Sakic? Steve Yzerman? Sergei Fedorov? Where are these guys? Your list has loads of YouTube dominance, but it's hard to compare those types of players to Sakic or Modano. It's just apples and oranges. '97-'99 was right smack-dab in the middle of one of the grind-y-est eras in hockey history ... how could Jagr, Forsberg, Selanne and Kariya be the best players in the world?

Modano in his prime went with Yzerman, Fedorov, Forsberg and Sakic as the best all-around forwards in hockey. The eye test says Modano wasn't as good as Fedorov, and the resume pales in comparison to Sakic and Yzerman. But the rest?
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If Modano was capable of being an elite scorer, he would have done so by his 4th, 5th or 6th year. The fact that it took him 10 years to finally crack the bottom end of the top 10 shows that he was never going to be an elite scorer like selanne was.
Nobody's arguing that Modano was a more elite scorer; just a better all-around player.

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