Selšnne vs Francis
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08-12-2010, 10:35 AM
Join Date: Aug 2006
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96-97 - over a minute less ATOI, less PPG
98-99 - 3 minutes less ATOI
99-00 - nearly 2 minutes less ATOI, less PPG
Keep in mind we're talking overall impact on team, not just scoring.
I'm kind of confused here. Which one saw fewer minutes than the other?
As for overall impact, did either one really bring much more than scoring?
BTW Francis outscored Jagr in 92-93, was close in 93-94, not that far off in 94-95 and close in 96-97 (with much worse PPG though). He was ahead of Jagr in ATOI in all seasons but 97-98. Saying that Jagr made Francis on one hand while considering Selanne Kariya's equal on the other is ridiculous.
Not to mention that Francis murders Selanne in playoffs.
Nobody is saying that Jagr made Francis; just that Francis wasn't good enough offensively to be a consistent top 10 scorer without Jagr on his line. I think the 9th, 11th, and 12th place finishes Francis had in Hartford and Carolina showed what he was capable of without Jagr.
Jaromir Jagr won his first Art Ross at the age of 22 in 94-95. That's the first year he really became a superstar on his own; it's also the first time Francis (at age 30) was top 10 in points. Anyone who actually watched them from this point on could see who the superstar on the line was an who the excellent complimentary player.
As for the playoffs, Francis definitely has the advantage, but to be fair to Selanne, he never had the benefit of playing on a good team in his prime.
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