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08-12-2010, 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by TheDevilMadeMe View Post
I'm kind of confused here. Which one saw fewer minutes than the other?

As for overall impact, did either one really bring much more than scoring?
Selanne saw fewer minutes. Selanne played much less shorthanded. Kariya was also the captain, not Selanne.

Nobody is saying that Jagr made Francis; just that Francis wasn't good enough offensively to be a consistent top 10 scorer without Jagr on his line. I think the 9th, 11th, and 12th place finishes Francis had in Hartford and Carolina showed what he was capable of without Jagr.

Jaromir Jagr won his first Art Ross at the age of 22 in 94-95. That's the first year he really became a superstar on his own; it's also the first time Francis (at age 30) was top 10 in points. Anyone who actually watched them from this point on could see who the superstar on the line was an who the excellent complimentary player.

As for the playoffs, Francis definitely has the advantage, but to be fair to Selanne, he never had the benefit of playing on a good team in his prime.
Selanne also hasn't shown any consistent top-10 offense without Kariya. And Francis carried weak Canes to Cup finals. Selanne never carried anything, and on average played on better teams anyway.

Funny bonus playoff fact: Out of 8 seasons together, Francis outscored Jagr in playoffs four times, and always outscored him when the Pens made it past round 1. Selanne never outscored Kariya (granted, just two playofss together).

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