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08-24-2010, 03:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Starchild74 View Post
You are totally right No defenceman that mathces or Offensively that can match his defense. There is no defenceman that matches or defensicely that could match him offensively. The problem is the same thing can be said for gretzky reason being that any Center that could match him offensively could not match him defensively. The reason is their isn't any player in the history of the NHL that comes close to Gretzky's pure offensive skill. Any Center that was as good as him defensively or even better then him could not match his offensive skill either.

The problem when comparing defenceman and Centers is that to a degree every defenceman has to be able to something decent defensively. However a Center can be just pure offence and be the best in the game just on offensive skill. Teams that have a Gretzky on their team do not need him to be defensive because his offense is that great.

If Bobby Orr was a 10 in offence then Gretzky is like 13. Bobby Orr is better then Gretzky defensively, a lot better but he was also a defenceman. Maybe Orr 8 Gretzky 4 Gretzky was better at faceoffs does that make him better? OF course not it is just that the responsibilities of a Center are different then for a defenceman that is why Orr being better defensively does not matter just like Gretzky being better then Orr offensively does not matter either. It is impossible to compare the two except agaisnt their own position and once agian even then it won't work because Orr was the first of his kind and Gretzky was the greatest ever at his postion.
I don't even know where to start with this post.....
First off, imo it would be more like Orr was an 11 offensively and Gretzky was a 12 while Orr would easily be a 9 defensively and Gretzky was a 4 (3 in the 80's, 5 in the 90's).

Unfortunately your assessment doesn't hold up with the numbers. Gretzky's offense + defense does not hold a candle to Orr's offense + defense, even in Gretzky's best 10 years.

Both of their teams averaged 11 goals scored per 10 against when they were not on the ice.
When Orr was on the ice, his team averaged 22 goals for to every 10 against.
When Gretzky was on the ice, his team averaged 15.4 goals for to every 10 goals against.

I'm sorry but Orr's dominance in all zones was greater than Gretzky's dominance in the offensive zone.

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