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08-27-2010, 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Big Phil View Post
The Habs also got removed in the first round by NYR in 6 games. A rather small sample to go by even if Shutt did play well. But it's funny how you stop right at 1974. With Lafleur, Shutt had a 60, 49, 47 and 45 goal season. Plus he peaked at 105 points in 1977. We don't have any evidence of how Shutt would have fared in his prime without Lafleur but there is clear evidence that once Lafleur's gave started to slip away after 1980 that Shutt's production did likewise. He was 28 years old, not old. Shutt was a fine player in his own right and I have never had a problem with him being in the HHOF but he did hit the jackpot.

So an aging Cournoyer who is in his 30s by now would have made as big of an impact on Shutt as Lafleur? This is not possible. Cournoyer again is a guy I promote as a legit HHOFer but even in his prime he was never Lafleur. Maybe 1972 is his best year, but even then he's miles behind Lafleur in his prime, he just is. But you think an even older Cournoyer makes a bigger impact on Shutt if he replaces Lafleur in the latter part of the 1970s? Come on. Healthy or not Cournoyer was never Guy Lafleur.
Usual. In 1987 Mario Lemieux learned a work ethic from Wayne Gretzky during a small sample space - The Canada Cup but Henri Richard did not influence Steve Shutt. Let's see, Shutt and Henri Richard practiced, travelled as teammates much longer than Gretzky and Lemieux did. A few games together during the 1974 playoffs put it all together for Shutt just like a handful of games with Wayne Gretzky put it all together for Mario Lemieux.

No one is claiming that Yvan Cournoyer was Guy Lafleur. You also omit the Jacques Lemaire factor. Jacques Lemaire and Yvan Cournoyer came-up thru the Montreal system two years apart. Lachine Maroons in the MMJHL, Junior Canadiens in the OHA,the Canadiens direct for Cournoyer, Lemaire a one year stint in the CPHL with Houston. After Beliveau retired Cournoyer and Lemaire were linemates more often than not until Bowman moved Lemaire onto a line with Shutt and Lafleur. Shutt / Lemaire/ Cournoyer would have been just as effective with a LW scoring focus. Cournoyer assuming a Bucyk type role. The key to Steve Shutt's game was playing with a center who could compliment his game. Lemaire and Richard were the ideal centers. Cournoyer should in the 1974 playoff that he could play with Shutt. As long as the right winger did not drag down the line it would shine.

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