Argument for Oates
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05-12-2005, 05:49 PM
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Saying that a player never had a chance because they played during Gretzky and Lemieux's era is a major copout. It simply does not hold water.
During Gretzky and Lemieux's era Dale Hawerchuk, Mark Messier X2, yes - Adam Oates, Pat Lafontaine, Sergei Fedorov, Eric Lindros X2, Alexei Zhamnov, Peter Forsberg and Alexei Yashin all earned post-season all star honors.
During Gretzky and Lemieux's era Mark Messier X2, Brett Hull, Sergei Fedorov, Eric Lindros and Dominik Hasek X2 all won Hart Trophies. Dale Hawerchuk, Ray Bourque X2, Grant Fuhr, Patrick Roy, Doug Gilmour, Dominik Hasek, Jaromir Jagr X2, Mark Messier, Paul Kariya and Alexei Yashin were Hart runners up.
So, nobody was really frozen out of the honors. Everybody had a chance to step up and win - if they were good enough.
My system also recognizes the accomplishment of finishing in the top 7 scorers each year. With Gretzky and Lemieux dominating #1 and #2, there is nothing stopping other players from dominating #3 and building a phenomenal career. Nobody really stood out and grabbed that #3 spot consistently. That being said, I am in the process of adding some recognition for being a great goal scorer or playmaker, Oates may move up when that is completed.
Why do you say that Yzerman's 1988-89 season is one of the all time greats? 155 points? When you look at the scoring race, 4 players scored at least 150 points so, Steve really did not set himself apart. If he had scored 155 when nobody else hit 130, I would say WOW! AMAZING! But, he did it when 3 other guys did it so, it is not nearly as impressive. Howie Morenz's 51 points in 1927-28 is much more impressive. Nobody else even hit 40 that season.
IMO the Hall has some soft standards. I would limit entry to only the VERY best but, that is just me. The Hall of Fame should be a club for the greatest of all time not a club for the good and very good. Guys like Keon and Francis were very good. If I ran the Hall, they would not be in.
My standards are higher, that is how I will always feel.
I agree about the HHOF standards, it is getting too crowded. I think they should make a rule to only CONSIDER players who have won a major award (like Hart, Norris, Vezina, maybe runner-ups too?) or who's been selected to the post-season all-star team (1st or 2nd).
Maybe they could put in an exception, that one player every ten years could get in even if he doesn't meet the criteria (just to please Stevie Y fans and get him in).
I wonder if they gonna make every d-man, who's been awarded as many times or selected to All Star teams as often as Mark Howe was, to wait at least 10 years before introduction. I wonder.
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