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11-14-2010, 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Starchild74 View Post
If you read my post it said that they weren't listed in order. I have never ever said that Goncahr was ever the best defenceman in any year.

Credit must be given to all defenceman that have a good year. That year Bryan McCabe was realy good for a borderline Leafs team. Now I hate putting McCabe in there but it is not about who I like or who I hate.

Sometimes what a defenceman does defensively is more important then scoring and other times how a defenceman scores can be more important then how one plays defensively.

To make assumptions as to why I don't want Chara in the HHOF is B.S. I don't make opinions on who I want in the HHOF or who I want to be better. I make it by watching hockey. Just because you don't recognize what Gonchar brought to his teams doesn't make him any more or less important to his teams. I would much rather a defenceman on my team like Chara over Gonchar but that still doesn't mean that Gonchar at times was a better defenceman then Chara.
I didn't see that they weren't in order - apologies for that.

Still though, I really can't see any way that you could possibly have Chara out of the top 5 in 2003-04. He was getting a lot of support for the Norris that year - it was basically considered a 2 man race for much of the year between Niedermayer's offense and Chara's defense. In the end, Niedermayer won it by a pretty wide margin, but Chara was comfortably ahead of 3rd place:

Scott Niedermayer, NJD 872 (72-13-10-3-2); Zdeno Chara, OTT 563 (19-36-16-11-8); Chris Pronger, STL 345 (7-19-16-17-11); Bryan McCabe, TOR 189 (1-12-10-10-15); Adrian Aucoin, NYI 166 (2-3-12-16-17); Nicklas Lidstrom, DET 165 (1-6-10-19-6); Mathieu Schneider, DET 144 (1-2-17-7-14); Rob Blake, COL 124 (1-8-5-9-6); Sergei Gonchar, BOS 55 (0-3-4-4-2); Wade Redden, OTT 31 (0-0-2-6-3);

I guess you aren't totally alone though... a handful of writers did think Gonchar was top 5 that season.

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