Hey Palmieri, pass the PUCK!!! USA v Germany
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12-31-2010, 07:14 PM
DROP THE PUCK
Join Date: Dec 2007
Originally Posted by
Bleed Ranger Blue
Its pretty funny to me that you're asking for patience with a 19 year old prospect.
First off, because I think most people on this board - especially people who have been watching the Rangers for a long time and have seen their fare share of busts - are tempering expectations, realize hes still a teenager, and possess a typical wait and see approach in regards to how Kreider turns out. Dont let a couple of loons like ODC get you into a tizzy...as others have mentioned, you needn't look any further than the Enver Lisin fiasco to gauge his ability to judge talent.
But no, what makes it especially humorous to me is that you've been leading a slobbering love affair towards Krieder pretty much since the moment the Rangers drafted him. I come onto hfboards almost every day and see another post from Supersonicmonkey preaching about what an ultra-special hockey player and human being Chris Kreider is.
Dont you think its possible that you constantly and consistently pumping him up as the next big thing for the New York Rangers can lead to some people being disappointed in him when they actually watch him play?
What I "pump up" are the things he does, and the tools he posseses.
Hockey isn't a free for all on ice. There are systems, positioning, coaches putting players in specific roles. As we all know.
If Kreider stayed high (with the other two forwards in deep), its because he was told to do so, or because he read that. And its being responsible. You can't trap all three forwards deep and leave your defense out to dry. Even with a 4 goal lead.
This isn't a video game or basketball, one player can't dominate a game by himself. Hockey is the ultimate team sport. Everyone on the ice needs to be responsible or the other team will capitalize at the NHL level. At least he gets that. Why should he change his game just for a short tournament?
In this game, he scored. And he shot the puck 8 times. Which is a lot. He also set up his teammates a few times with nice passes. While making good defensive plays. What's the issue, here? That he doesn't deek a thousand times? He isn't all that flashy of a player and I don't think anyone ever said he was. He plays a straight forward game. He has quick hands, yes. He has an elite shot. And elite speed. He's developing into a solid hockey player. He CAN make slick plays, he's done it before, but he's not going to do it all the time.
Have I ever once said he's going to be a superstar? No.
Have I ever once said he's going to make you jump out of your seat like Ovechkin sliding on his back while deeking, crazy things like that? No.
Did I ever say he's going to be a 50 goal scorer? No.
I'm pretty sure what I've always said was he's going to be a very good hockey player. With 30+ goal 60+ point upside. POTENTIAL for 70-80 points in his prime.
And the bigger the game, the more he elevates his game.
I'm expecting him to be like Dubinsky, but faster and a better shot. With the potential to be more. Dubi himself is on pace for 30 goals, 60 points as a 24 year old.
I didn't expect Kreider's two way game to come along as quickly as it did. I thought it would take longer. But he's a bright kid, and he learns very quickly.
If I had a complaint about Kreider, its that he doesn't hold onto the puck long enough sometimes. I'd like to see him use his body to protect the puck and play a puck possession game more often, because he has the size and strength to do it. And the speed to break away from anyone if the opportunity presents itself.
That he can and probably will learn. NHL coaches are on another level, and actually care about developing young players. Unlike some NCAA coaches and certainly not coaches in a short interational tournamet who are under pressure to win.
I've said this about Kreider before, he will do what the team asks of him. If he's asked to play a defensive role, he will do it. He's coachable. That's not a bad character trait. He cares more about winning then his individual stats. A lot of younger players care more about looking good and having padded stats. Veterans care more about winning. That's a sign that he's more mature as a player and a team-first player.
The only other forward prospect I'm as high on is Werek. Who is another mature player. That plays a complete game.
Its not like I hype every prospect we have. I'm still not as high on Thomas or Horak as others are. I've heard about some work ethic issues with Horak when he was drafted. And I'm concerned about Thomas' size, but if he can get to around Callahan's size that would be a big break for us. And I have hope for all of them.
When Kreider gets to the NHL next season and he's surrounded by Callahan, Dubinsky, Drury, Prust, Boyle... He's going to learn from these guys. How to block shots more consistently, how to possess the puck more often, finishing checks more consistently. He's not going to get those things from the players he's surrounded by right now.
I'm expecting enormous growth as a player in his first year in the NHL, much like Stepan.
That's why the Rangers focus so heavily on character and work ethic.
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