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01-07-2011, 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris Shafer View Post
Here's the reality.

Everyone thinks Meszaros is overpaid because he's playing on the "third pairing." He's had games where his pairing has played the most minutes and he's stepped up in the absence of Pronger, but I'll just ignore that simple fact for all of your sake for now.

The truth is, if you wanted to get an average 3rd pairing player for $1m-$2m, fine. You also have to realize that such a player would not be nearly as good as Meszaros is doing against lesser competition.

We're not paying Meszaros to be an average 3rd pairing defenseman. We're paying him to be a dominant 3rd pairing defenseman; to make our defense that much deeper and harder to much up against regardless of who is on the ice.

So complaining about Meszaros' salary per his production is akin to asking for another average 3rd pairing defenseman like Alberts, Jones, Kukkonen, Krajicek or any number of average to terrible guys we've had on the 3rd pairing and expecting them to be as successful in the role that Meszaros is filling as Meszaros.

Meszaros gets paid to be a dominant 3rd pairing defenseman, and honestly, I doubt you'll find a better 3rd pairing defenseman in the NHL. Why is that? Well most of it is because he should be playing a lot higher than the 3rd pairing.
We're paying Meszaros to play defense for the Philadelphia Flyers. We're paying him 4M a year (for the next 4 years) to do that. Remove the name and dwell on that, rather than simply Meszaros. Alberts (who would be fine as a 3rd pairing guy), Jones, Kukkonen, Krajicek... bottom barrel. We're not talking about those types of players as a possible replacement. You can overspend on the third pairing guy without overspending by as much as is the case for Meszaros (which could still play out down the line if we move one of Coburn/Carle).

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But this is yet another mark that the great "voices of reason" on this Flyers' board have missed; fairly high and wide I might add. You completely Jeff Carter'd the logic on this one.
The comedy here is how completely out of line your logic is in arriving at this point. The critique of Meszaros is not that he has played poorly, or not been a good on ice acquisition for the Flyers this year... he has played well, and clearly improved the back end of the team's D (so has O'Donnell). So you're essentially creating a paper tiger to tear down and make yourself feel better, given that your $4M is the going rate... have to pay to get... etc. arguments are pretty much empty vessels when placed within the context of actual reality as far as the contracts that are out there.

$4M is most certainly not the going rate for a 2nd pairing guy. $3M isn't even necessarily the going rate for a 2nd pairing guy. There are no. 1s and 2s out there making less than Meszaros.

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