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Joe Pavelski to Toronto...
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01-23-2011, 02:27 PM
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Didn't you just spend a month arguing that Marleau for Beauchemin was fair?
You've struggled with this all thread. Let me try to explain it to you.
There are two kinds of proposals being made here. Some people are asking for returns that the Sharks would actually consider given their position right now, i.e. plausible trades. However many Sharks fans look at Toronto's roster and see nothing that is both available and sufficient justification for giving up Pavelski. Kaberle + for Pavelski might be fair, but Kaberle is expiring, wants to stay in the East, NTC, etc. so he's out. After the massive return Burkie gave up to get Kessel, he's not available either. After that, there's nobody on the Leafs with enough talent right now for it to be clearly reasonable to trade Pavelski for on the basis of talent and current need. Therefore, the plausible trades are exhausted.
Then people are turning to trades based on fair value rather than plausibility, since the question posed by the thread is what kind of value Toronto would have to give up to get Pavelski. They are looking at the roster and, based on
rather than on
, looking at Schenn as the closest in value. The accuracy of that evaluation is subject to debate, which is why we have forums in which to discuss it. What the Pavelski for Schenn comments are doing, then, is indicating perceived similar value, not suggesting the most plausible deal or the deal that best fills the Sharks needs right now. These are two distinct kinds of proposals, with different means of evaluating the trade.
I hope that helps. If it's still ambiguous to you, let me know and I'll try to phrase it differently.
Nope. I argued that Beauchemin would be a player high on SJ's priority list to trade for if available.
I haven't struggled with anything here. Trades are not made based on some arbitrary "value". They're made because they satisfy team needs. San Jose's needs are not futures, they need players to win now.
The people who ask for Schenn are no more than those who simply don't want to trade Pavelski (which is fine), and rather than stating that, propose a player that they know Leafs fans wont trade. My point is that anyone who asks for Schenn to be included in a deal should have absolutely no problem with the premise of Beauchemin + futures.
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