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02-19-2011, 06:03 PM
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n8
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Kreider? I'm not as optimistic about him as some of the other posters are. I think if we are lucky he is a 1st liner. Elite 1st liner is a whole different level to me. I know everyone has different standards but to me, 1st liner = 70+ points, while elite = mid 80s+ points.

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