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03-12-2011, 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Norm MacDonald View Post
Not only does Coburn almost always play with Timonen, but that's again very disingenuous (and untrue, since Coburn played well on third pairing and with Hatcher). Coburn is playing well with Timonen because Coburn is playing well. He's using his size, reach and skating to wear down top lines. He has found himself as a smooth skating defensive D. It's also unfair to take into account older seasons when evaluating Coburn but not Meszaros.
Yay third pairing minutes...!?!? really? And, no, Coburn was never that great away from Timonen.

Do you not remember the **** show that was the Coburn-Carle pairing a couple years back? Coburn got ABUSED last year when he was away from Timonen.

Coburn has been playing well, but that doesn't mean he's fantastic. He's terrible offensively (terrible).

Who isn't taking into account older seasons when evaluating Meszaros v. Coburn? Way to set up a paper tiger there.

Carle has also been playing very well even strength this season, despite people ing. There's a reason he's leading the Flyers in +/- and has the third most even strength points in the league for defensemen. He's been moving the puck well and making smart decisions. I've been really critical of Carle in the past, but he's been fine.
Carle has played very well offensively at even strength... he's played like **** defensively... and the numbers back that up. For whatever reason behindthenet is messed up right now, but he has the worst GAON/60 of any of our D.

And who is saying Carle hasn't been fine? He has... he's been very strong offensively, but he's not very good defensively... them just the facts.

In all honesty, I'd like the Flyers to keep all 5 of their main D, and I think they well. I just think it's really stupid to claim that Coburn and Carle are the players on the Flyers most likely to be traded "by far".
It'd be great if they could keep 'em... but if you're going to subtract players currently under contract for next year, who are you dealing before them? Larry44 would trade Mike Richards before Coburn and Carle, you too?

Right now, there's very little chance we can keep Ville Leino, for example (or sign another scoring winger). If you want to keep some semblance of our forward attack together, you're going to need to make some cuts... and we're spending a ridiculous amount on D right now.

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