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10-16-2003, 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by OYLer
I see you are from Brampton dawgbone and maybe the western Canadian work ethic is foreign to your eastern sensibilities and maybe you might be a tad younger than me too. Perhaps you're an Xer or part of the Y generation or even younger. Being a "boomer" I'm results oriented. My approach in that little rant was to alert the Oilers' Management, players, and staff of the growing unrest amoung fans like me who are not focused on Hockey's Future here in Edmonton but Hockey's Present. I'm told the current crop of coaches and players sometimes read the posts here.
Don't preach to me, and don't even attempt to talk about Western Canadian work ethic. I own my own company, and put in nearly 100 hours a week into it. I also have a wife and a daughter, but hey, us Easterners have no work ethic. How about if I were to slag all Westerners by saying they hold the country down by not doing anything, and they ride the coat tails of us in the East? Pretty ignorant of me isn't it? You have every right to want the Oilers to better, but your self-important little spew about how much it costs you for this and that is really pathetic.

Too often elite athlete are coddled and treated too specially. They can become pampered because they are handled with kid gloves and allowed to hear only positive re-inforcement. "You are doing so well and you are so talented." But when they arrive at the professional hockey level things have to change. Accountability and responsibility go along with earning the big bucks and living every young Canadian boy's (and a few girl's) dream --playing in the NHL.
This has nothing to do with anything I wrote, or you wrote. You made a comment about how more time should be put on the power play, and then your little rant about working 10-12 hours a day. I just wanted to point out that it isn't all fun and games for an athlete either, that they do actually work, and that they don't nearly have as much time as they would like to spend with their families and friends.

So dawg if you get boned reading my posts it's your right too attack a long time fan. But to have the Arrogance to Assume you know more about how an Athlete's life work's in Edmonton while sitting in Brampton I find amusing. Some 30 years ago I decided to replace my CHICAGO BLACKHAWKS jersey and start following a new team in town called the Alberta Oilers of the WHA. I was there at Northlands Coliseum, my bum warming the seats, when the 'OIL' joined the NHL. I was fortunate to have 2 half season tickets at the rail in the blues at center ice during 3 out of 5 of the Glory years. I've tilted a few 'pops' with most of the orginal boys on the bus.
It really isn't all that complicated to figure out how an athletes life works in Edmonton, because it isn't any different anywhere else. You get paid to play hockey, and people pay to watch it. There are going to be bad games, just like I have bad days at work, as does everyone else. When you compound that with the fact they are playing against the best in the world, a bad day is going to make you look even worse. As for the rest of what you just said... wonderful, it doesn't provide much to the argument, but it was a lovely side read.

I've been bored to death listening to Mike Gardner go on, and on, and on, about how hockey is essentially a entertainment commodity and athlete must maximize their earning potential when all I really wanted to know was how did it feel when he scored his first NHL goal. Dave Christensen eventually told him to give it a rest. The Capitals had just beaten the Oilers for the first time and Al Jensen, and a young American phenom named Bobby Carpenter had had great games (4 - 1' I think).
Great... you have been around a while, lovely. Still not sure how it relates, but the "I've been around longer than you" argument stopped working on me when I was 12.

They both sat quickly as Christensen and I argued the merits of offensive verses defensive hockey. I've discussed hockey via dial-up service using long distance on Bullentin Boards before the advent of the world wide web on an old Apple II and 1200 bps modem, trading ideas with Kings fans yammering with Wing nuts. Using my NEC 386 laptop I've subscribed to CompuServe to trash talk with hockey fanatics in Hartford and some Golden Seals fans, etc. Last year I missed seeing the OiLer's play either live or via a TV feed only twice and only because it was my grandchildrens birthdays.
Do you really think you are overly different from me? I got my first computer in 1989, and used bulletin boards to chat not only hockey, but lacrosse, and other things. I have subscribed to fan clubs, newsletters (the snail mail kind).

So I've earned the right to rant went highly paid athletes are no shows for 6 continuous periods of supposed professional hockey.
Did I argue with your comments about them playing poorly? No
Did I make any comments regarding the first 2 paragraphs? No

I brought up issue with the fact that you seemed blatantly ignorant of anything that goes on. When was the last time you played hockey? Last time I checked, but 4 hour practices don't do anything besides wearing down your players, and possibly hurting them. Have you ever had a 4 hour practice? I have, and let me tell you, after 2.5 hours, you are tired, angry, sore, not listening, making mental mistakes... is that beneficial? Then, you have to have your team meetings, video sessions, fitness sessions... all of them are important parts to the game, which are rendered useless by practicing for 4 hours (and once again, completely exhausting your players).

Your comments reaked of self-importance, and typical "Athletes are spoiled" attitude from someone completely jealous of them.

Oh! and if you don't like the tender of my comments don't read them junior.
My... good thing your grandchildren have a such grown up role model... and your comments work both ways, grampa.

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