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05-16-2011, 08:40 AM
Double XX L
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I've said it numerous times before. Even if I'm nothing more than a simply internet blogger, I disagree with anybody saying we could have had more for Halak than what we got. There is a multitude of examples that show how weak the market was for goalies.
But more so than that, when you look at what the assets exchanged, it points even more towards being a good trade. Halak was a RFA, which means any team making him an offer would have needed to give us a compensation. If we look at the deal St-Louis signed him at, we would have gotten a 1st and 3rd round pick in return, and because people on HF love draft pick and cap space more than the actual game of hockey, they would have been very satisfied with that compensation. Well, Eller and Schultz are respectively 1st and 3rd round picks.
At the worse, this trade was fair. With all their offensive injuries this year, St-Louis could have used Eller.
Flyers didn't have a problem finding a great goalie in Bobrovsky.
Laviolette played with fire and flat out lost it when he decided to scratch him
only to put a career back up/AHLer goalie, that hadn't played in 2011 yet, in nets..
Deciding to go with Boucher and Leighton instead of Bobrovsky, and then opting to start him in Game 4 vs Boston really made me wonder what the heck Laviolette was thinking.
He should have stuck with Bobrovsky all the way through. Rookies need their share of experience.
I don't think Philly is looking for a goalie, other than maybe a back up. They would be stupid to let Bobrovsky go.
It's not about ruining the player, it's about what he has to gain from it. Would Plekanec benefit anything from going to play in the AHL for a year?? Of course not.
Would you improve anything from playing hockey versus 10 year old kids? Of course not.
In order to improve, you need to play versus opponents that will make you develop onto a higher level. I don't think Eller has much to gain from playing a season in the AHL. I can see him go through a conditioning stint like many other players do after big injuries, but I doubt he'll spend a significant amount of time in the AHL. I think he's got a lot more to gain from playing at the NHL level, than he does at the AHL.
I'm not worried about confidence with this kid, I think he's shown great things with us throughout the year, and even more so in the POs.
I'm not worried about Eller, I expect him to spend some time for conditioning in the AHL if he's still injured during camp, but quickly come back up to the NHL level.
I agreed with all of it
The Idea that Halak could have been had for more is definately a myth.
Goalies are thrown around this league for next to nothing, on a regular basis. Look how much respect Niemi was rewarded last year for bringing his team to the Stanley Cup? Or even the Career AHL'er/Back up in Leighton?
What is rare in the NHL in goal is what we currently HAVE. A franchise goalie, and even then, we are starting to see that we cannot even expect that they will be on top year in, year out. Look at the controversy in Vancouver (they talked all year about being strapped down by Roberto Luongo's 6.5 - 7.0 million dollar contract, like it's a nuisance), or Thomas (2 years ago, Thomas had a Vezina calibre season, Last year he was a stick in the mud, and being outcast by Tukka Rask. This year he's vezina calibre all over again.
Cam Ward, who many in the industry feel is top 3 goalie in the league, has put many up and down seasons together, so has MA Fleury.
This all being said, When you have a goalie, you dont typically get rid of them, but unless they are somewhat proven somehow, they are worth NOTHING.
Halak, before his miraculous run, as Dudley said, was NOT worth Cormier. He hung up and never called Gauthier again about the subject. He was not far off.
Furthermore the odds you bring up make it even more dwindling at best; RFA no contract, great 1/2 season makes it hard to guage contract value, and before anyone says it I KNOW Halak was better for much longer, the fact is he was a relative unknown to the league until the stretch run. Proof of this fact, is when Bobby Clarke said near the trade deadline last year, that the Habs have no goalie better than theirs, while history will prove him to be nefariously wrong, In context to time, his perception was not far off from the rest of the NHL. The only thing holding up was Carey's blue chip qualities, but he was more or less a sieve for the better part of a year when that comment was made, and Halak still hadnt wrested the starting job completely by that point.
Finally, Lars Eller should not be going backwards now. If there was any time to start him off as an AHL'er it would have been last year.
By the end of the season, IMO he was definately playing some great hockey up the middle, and he provides some much needed size up the middle to go along with burgeoning talent level that is unmatched by the center prospect pool.
He was brought about VERY slowly last year.
I do know this though, Eller is definately a better player than his stats indicate. It's hard to guage offensive capability when he averaged 8-10 minutes a night for about 50 games of the year.
When given an extended chance, on a role with this squad, by the end of the year... He played fantastic. He definately proved to me without a doubt that he needs to have his role with this organization expanded, and has earned this with his improved play.
He IMO was the second most improved player, who was a regular roster member through out the year, behind Subban. He is SHOWING that he is learning the game with results that are visible on the ice!
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