[Tim Vezina Thomas]

Originally Posted by Auger

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Edit: I mean im sure you know Kesler is pretty much a lock for the Selke as Timmy is for the Vezina so your comparison to Seguin and 90 points is just stupid

I was talking about how awful your comparison is. Even if it was said facetiously, this is a thread about Seguin for Kesler. Honestly did you just come into this thread to be completely off topic?

The problem here is, you're just defending Seguin, with that last part about Couture for Seguin. Who do you think most teams would want if they were giving up one of their proven roster players? Seguin a guy who could only muster 22 points in his rookie season or Couture who had 56 points in 7 more games. No one is arguing potential here because that's ridiculous you have no idea what his potential is. Im just dumbfounded how some of you Bruin fans can sit there and say Seguin for Kesler isn't gonna happen because Seguin has "potential"

Lol I'm off topic yet you managed to compare a 19 year old (that is part of the thread) to a 22 year old (who has nothing to do with the thread). Courture also played four seasons of juniors with a half a season of the AHL before his rookie season. Great comparison. Thumbs up.

What is potential then? Enlighten me.

Originally Posted by IAmCurryman

I don't know if it's your Bruins-bias talking or what not, but Ryan Kesler is WAY better than Bergeron. A 40 goal scorer who can agitate, play the first units on any powerplay AND penalty kill and is one of the top 3 two-way players vs. a player who was ONCE a 30 goal scorer and a good two-way player. I say once because Bergeron's on his third or so concussion and if you simply compare Bergeron's best season with Kesler's, it's no match.

Seguin for Kesler? Bruins wouldn't hesitate for a second, Canucks would only do it after their whole front office gets lobotomized. A 40 goal scorer who has proven himself vs. a rookie who scored 22 points in 74 games. Seguin has LOADS of potential, but remember that Alexandre Daigle had loads of potential too. Jason Bonsignore had loads of potential as well. You can't access a player's skill level by his potential because potential is simply based on perception. Sure he has loads of potential but Kesler can be a first line center on 25 of the 30 teams.

A deal like this could very well turn into the Lindros trade. Eric Lindros was dealt for a huge 8 player package with a couple of first rounders and 15 million dollars, which at the time looked great but in the future, neither team could've predicted that Peter Forsberg would be as good as he was and would any sane man trade Lindros for Forsberg?

I'm not sure exactly what you mean here. If you mean post Bergeron concussions, then I guess you have a point. But as a whole, Bergerons best two seasons were 73 and 70 points, whereas Kesler was 75 and 73. Not that big a difference.

Again, no one is saying Bergeron is better than Kesler, but I firmly believe that they are closer than you think. Agree to disagree.

And I never said Vancouver shoudl do this deal. All I said was its a deal that doesnt make sense for either team right now.

Originally Posted by Tyler Sanguine

Seguin for Kesler wouldn't happen. Let's get that out of the way. Kesler is a proven commodity, Seguin is an unproven teenager, so Vancouver would never, ever, make that deal right now.

But I will disagree on the Kesler/Bergeron debate. Kesler's never even topped 30 goals until he got 40 this year, so it's a bit disingenuous to label him a "40-goal scorer" until he duplicates the action. It's the same mantra I've always held with everyone in the NHL...you don't earn a moniker like that until you do it regularly (more than once). Just like Oiler fans saying that Penner was a "30-goal scorer" after last year, just like if I tried to make the claim that Lucic is a "30-Goal scorer," etc. Until you can do something with some consistency, you don't earn the right to lay claim to it.

But in terms of the comparison, the only thing that Kesler has on Bergeron right now is point production. That's it. Bergeron is arguably the best faceoff man in the NHL, he's a dominant two-way center in all three zones, he's physical. Kesler scores more goals, and that's about the only thing you can point to. It's a significant category to be better in, don't get me wrong, but it's disingenuous to claim that Kesler is WAY better than Bergeron because it's not true.

Pretty much summed up my thoughts perfectly.

From Vancouvers POV this deal makes less than no sense, and from the Bruins POV it probably would never happen/still doesnt make that much sense.

I'd also argue that Kesler is faster and more offensively gifted than Bergeron, and also agitates and racks up a lot of PIMs, but other than that I still dont see how you can call Kesler WAY better than Bergeron. Ah well, agree to disagree.