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Originally Posted by Lafleurs Guy
I don't think he'll be as good as Larry Robinson either, but right now I'd take Wiz over Larry wouldn't you?
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Right. But Larry just turned 60 a couple weeks ago, while Markov is almost half his age at 32.
He and Wiz both have had just about the same amount of knee surgeries, and Wiz only has one season over 30pts.
I can't believe you would actually take him over Markov...
I've said it more than once, I think a lot of people forgot just how great Markov is.
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Originally Posted by Lafleurs Guy
No. He's great offensively but he's not nearly as complete as Pronger is. Pronger didn't get to the finals by chance and the teams he played on don't get there without him. He's not perfect either but he's much more complete than Markov is and has had a much better career.
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I think you just proved MM's point that you underestimate Markov.
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Originally Posted by Lafleurs Guy
I don't see why not. If he's sitting there collecting secondary assists off a sniper like Cammy, then those points don't mean much. And his lack of goalscoring ability strongly contributed to the pathetic season he's coming off of.
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For the same reason that you won't be pissed if Gill doesn't contribute his fair share amount of points for a Dman, it's simply not what's expected of him.
Gomez should score about 12-13goals. He had a poor season last year (career low) and scored only 7. If you want to criticize him about his assists go for it, but whining that he didn't score 5 extra goals is pretty useless.
His job is to create plays with his skating and passing, not to score 20 goals.
But everybody knows he just had his worst career year. Expecting back to back career lows isn't quite realistic, especially when he hasn't suffered any type of injury that would lead one to believe otherwise.
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Originally Posted by Lafleurs Guy
I think they'll be at best middle of the pack if everything goes well. I think it's far more likely to see them at 20th or below in 5 on 5 scoring again this year.
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Why is that? Why would they not improve?
Cammy and Gionta each had worst career years since breaking out. Gomez had his worst career year. Plekanec was clearly overworked due to that and only tallied up 57pts, not to mention being completed by Halpern (or other scrappers) half the time. We didn't have a top 6 for most of the year again.
I know you don't think Gomez will have another low year seeing as you said you expect him to be around the 55pt mark. So wouldn't you agree that Gionta and Cammy could very well see their numbers go up as well? (Gionta maybe more so than Cammy)
I think it would be very pessimistic to expect not improvements there.
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Originally Posted by Lafleurs Guy
I thought you said you were expecting 70 points out of him. I think he'll be at the 55 point level.
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40 ES pts is usually the norm for Gomez. The rest will be decided on the PP. I believe everybody agrees a fair expectation is 55pts.