Subban/marchand double standard?
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06-22-2011, 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by
I think these two paragraphs contradict each other.
In one sentence, you say it's not about race. The next paragraph, you associate PK's attitude with that of a basketball player or a football player, which one can easily assume that you are talking about the flamboyant black players with talent coming out of their ears.
When it comes down to it, everyone likes to say it's not about race but the examples everyone has listed ends up being about race anyways. I hate talking about it because we're in 2011 now and this should not be an issue anymore.
Exactly, even 417 who I can only assume is black and was saying it comes down to ignorance and not necessarily racism. He basically said it comes down to race in the end. Is it ignorance? Sure it is, all forms of prejudice are based on ignorance in the first place. It doesn't make it not racism, it might be more-so subconscious racism but it's still racism.
I'm not saying every person who hates PK is saying "n-word this, PK is an n-word that, I'm in the KKK and burn crosses" but obviously a minority of people may be pretty close in that regard and a decent sized minority at the very least are subconsciously racist.
I don't believe there is anyway to excuse the comparisons being made here between white players who act like PK and PK who acts like PK
It's like this movie I saw "My Name is Khan". It's about this guy who has a disorder that makes him unable to perceive emotions properly. In the beginning the mother draws him a picture of a himself with a person standing there with a knife to his chest (stick figures)
Below it she draws the same picture only now the person is giving him a lollipop. They are stick figures that look identical. The mother asks the son what is the differences between the two people? The boy answers "nothing, they are the same". The mother tells him "that's right they are the same, there is only good and bad people in this world. These are the only two types of people that exist" explaining that it doesn't matter if the person is Muslim or Hindu, both are capable of being good or bad people.
A similar thing applies to this scenario. Both people (Marchand and Subban) are known for the stuff they're known for. Only one receives the type of prejudice he gets and it's Subban. Subban is not given the benefit of the doubt like Marchand and other players are. When he accidentally cut Jordan Staals foot people were saying he did it on purpose. I guarantee if that happened with another player people wouldn't be saying that. Heck when Chara hit Pacioretty the entire league outside of habs fans were giving him the benefit of the doubt. Nobody gave Subban the benefit of the doubt with Staal, and I don't even think Jordan Staal himself believes PK did that on purpose.
In the end it's ignorance at the root of it but it all boils down to a form of prejudice. Marchand and Subban are both the same they just play for different teams, it's only because one is a visible minority that he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt. I'm sure many people aren't intentionally being racist but they have their preconceived notions about black people in general and it won't allow them to think without bias.
Originally Posted by
This makes no sense...
Again, PK Subban and lets say...Taylor Hall, could score a GWG and celebrate exactly the same way
and some people will say, Subban is being cocky, and almost all of them will say Hall is being passionate.
It's all about perception...everyone perceives Subban to be the stereotypical, flamboyant black athlete, so anything he does, is skewed because of that.
Everyone has racial biases, it's not any different when it comes to hockey players/fans...in fact, it's probably worse considering the NHL has very few ethnic players.
Is Subban cocky? Well, I would say more confidant, but that's not any different then let's say....Patrick Kane, and i've never heard anyone call him 'not classy' or 'bad for the game' or that he behaves like a "NBA or NFL player"?
Perception, is not necesarily reality
Agree with this completely. Sure everyone has racial bias whether it's in favor or against. But what I wonder is how you feel this isn't a form of racism. It's one thing to not like a player, it's an entirely other thing to not like a player because you nit pick every little thing he does as a result of being black. Like I mentioned with the Staal comparison to the Pacioretty injury, it was what Subban's 10th NHL game (mostly playoffs) and people were already willing to just assume he did it on purpose
With Chara a guy who has done stuff like this in the past but always escaped suspension, people were more than willing to use excuses like "it's a one time thing" or "he's never been suspended before" but where was all the support for Subban outside of the habs side of things? People automatically assume this rookie who has no history of being a dirty player purposely injured Staal. I find that to be very pathetic.
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If Subban wanted to tell Cherry anything (which I dont think he does, cause Cherry is a joke anyways) it would be this...
'I may be a 21 year old coming off my rookie season... But I already have broken the amount of NHL games YOU played by about 80 times by now... I am more experienced, therefore more of a PROFESSIONAL than you ever even dreamed to be, oh ya... and tell your buddy Marchand to keep his head up. Or he'll get another one of these. We ALL know he doesnt want that.'
Fixed the youtube video and just wanted to let you know I lol'd big time at that line
PS: Sure looked like he was "hiding" there after the hit
Yeah he sure needed the big bad "Picard" to fight his battle for him
Bruins players using the "hold back" method of trying to make themselves look bad ass. "I was gonna drop them with PK but Picard held me back!"
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