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06-27-2011, 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by BLONG7 View Post
year after year, since the lockout...must have us confused with the Leafs...
We've been a bubble team most of the time usually finishing with 93 points. Can't really blame folks for prognosticating that we'd be a bubble team most of the time because that's exactly what we've been.
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Originally Posted by Talks to Goalposts View Post
The thing I tend to notice is that both Boston and Toronto fanbases tend to view Montreal as a peer to their team. But since Boston is good and Toronto bad, Bruins fans see the cohesive team play and underlying two-way ability while Leaf fans think its all smoke and mirrors with goaltending.
And on many occassions, they'd be right. We've had some of the best goaltending in the league for years and most of the time we've finished around 8th place.
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my bad, I meant "career-year" in the sense of his best yet, not that he will have the best season of his career...

coming off of a 20g, 40pt season (where he added 7g/11games in the playoffs), and looking at the way he was playing to close out the season, I think JVR (if healthy), could quite realistically put up a 30g/60pt season this year, putting him in the range of what Carter was giving them the past 2 seasons.

filling Richards hole will be tougher, given how much he brought to the table in all parts of the game, but btw Simmonds/Voracek/bryzgalov, i won't be surprised if they end up with a net gain, to say nothing of what Schenn may add and even potentially Coutourier (especially since he's the type of rookie who could convieavably come in and play a solid bottom-6 role from day one).

definitely a lot of "if's", but are they any bigger than the "if" the Flyers have been dealing with for years in between the pipes?
I think it's the same sort of situation with us. We have a lot of kids in our lineup who we're really hoping can step up. Some folks here have Subban winning the Norris and MaxPac becoming the next Brendan Shanahan this year.

It could happen of course but it could go the other way. I didn't think of Philly as a true cup contender before and I don't think of them as a contender now. But I felt fairly confident that they'd finish among the top 4 clubs in the East and now I'm just not so sure about it.

You could be right though, they might be better as soon as this year. Personally, I think they're going to be absolutely amazing within a couple of years and they've done exactly what I've been arguing we should do for a long time now so if it happens it's going to really piss me off. Tons of elite prospects/young players in that organization now.
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definitely agree that the term they gave Bryzgalov is a bit puzzling, and strikes me as a bit of a reactionary move (the pain of their recent goaltending situation pushing them to an opposite extreme... a gm going from "i don't need a bonafide #1" to changing the entire dynamic of his contending team in order to lock one up for almost a decade is a pretty rash change of direction, no doubt).
Signing Bryzgalov is okay, but 9 years just made no sense to me. Why not go for a guy like Rask?
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semantics to argue the real definition of "re-build", I'd speculate that Holmgren fully believes that his team, today, is as able to/better equipped to contend than they were last week. getting a windfall of picks/prospects that likely won't contribute immediately is icing on the cake for them imo.
I see it as a classic rebuild. They didn't believe in their core and dealt for picks and prospects to go along with their young guys like Giroux and JVR. And I think it will pay off for them in the long run as long as some of those stupid (Briere, Bryzgalov) contracts don't get in the way
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no doubt, leafs management is one of the few around the league that has actually been worse at managing assets than the habs were the past decade...

but Burke has also made quite a few moves to add both quality/depth to his roster while moving out players that either they didn't think highly enough off, or that they felt they could get more from by moving.

it seems like almost every time the habs make a move, it's the opposite. We're buying high and selling low, at least when we aren't giving up assets for nothing.

even with the Kessel move, I think if you were to look at the Habs moves since Burke took over and compared, it would be painfully clear that they are building up their talent base while we are thinning it...

"luckily" we have two players (Price/Subban), who are of the kind of quality that they can help a team disguise otherwise glaring roster/organization flaws.
Burke has shown that he can be a good GM. I just think he should stick with building through the draft because he's not likely to sign both Niedermayer, Selanne and Pronger anytime soon. He fluked out with luck on those deals and it's almost like he thinks he'll be able to do it again.

He'd be better off doing what he did in Vancouver and mastermind how to get top picks that he can build around like the Sedins.

There's been an improvement there (somewhat) but he gave up Hamilton and Seguin... brutal, brutal move even if it was for a young sniper. Those kinds of moves absolutely kill franchises. And he's lucky they're in TO because if he was in an expansion market the fans would've left long ago.
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and that's before seeing what happens in July... a few big moves could certainly help shift some of that balance of power.
I guess we'll see on this. Over the next few years I think the East will definitely get stronger. Philly and Boston have incredible youth to build with and I think they'll be super scary. TB has already jumped to the next level. Pittsburgh and Washington's cores are still young. It's going to be a lot tougher in the next few seasons than it has been in the past.


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