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07-10-2011, 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by OneSharpMarble View Post
Pretty average, lots of teams draft several players who become 3rd and 4th liners and bottom pairing dmen. The best teams draft the elite players or get diamonds in the later rounds. Yes this was a good year but on average we still havn't addressed our biggest needs.
The thing is that Pacioretty, the kostitsyns, Latendresse and Grabovski are not 3rd or 4th liners and Subban, Streit and Mcdonaugh are not bottom pairing defensemen. As was pointed out Timmins has drafted two stars in Price and Subban. You're right he hasn't drafted the big forward yet, but to say he has been average is just false. He"s not the best, but he's far from average.

Originally Posted by OneSharpMarble View Post
None of them are 1st line players and none are top pairing dmen. If we are always going to trades and FA for our best players we will always be taking a step backwards.
But that is not what your post said. You backed off from giving Timmins credit because you said he drafted mostly bottom pairing defensemen and 3rd and 4th liners which is just false. He drafted a pretty generous amount of top 6 forwards. Subban is a top pairing defensemen and we will continue to progress as such. Subban was pretty much our #1 last year and his minutes reflected that as well as the opposition he faced. You are right, Streit and McDonaugh are not top pairing defensmens, but they are not scrubs. Both are very good top 4 defensemen(we will also see what Yemelin is made of this year, so in that regard the amount of top 4 dmen he has drafted is pending).

You're right we haven't drafted any first line players, but that wasn't the subject of your previous post.

As for always trading for your best players will always make you take a step backwards...I'm not too sure about that. The Boston Bruins just recently won with having their key players composed mostly on traded players(Horton, Chara, Thomas are not native to Boston and played a huge role in their win). Of course, drafted players such as Bergeron, Krejci and Marchand also played key roles in that win, but Marchand and Begeron are not 1st line players. As for Krecji, I'm on the fence as to whether or not he is a first line player or whether he is in the mold of a Plekanec.

Anyway, the whole point of your first post is that Timmins drafted mainy 3rd and 4th liners and bottom pairing defensemen. This is false. He hasn't drafted 1st line forwards, but that wasn't part of your first complaint. Also, the whole idea of your best players being acquired by FA and trades makes you take a step back is also extremely debatable. Lastly, in relation to that last point, ask most habs fans who are the habs most important players and the majority of them will give you a list of Plekanec, Subban, Markov, Price and maybe Pacioretty, all of which are habs draftees. Does it need to improved? Yes....does that mean it's been bad....No.

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