Doughty vs. Subban
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07-18-2011, 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by
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I just think that if you go with Doughty it's a gamble.
A gamble that the Montreal night life won't seduce him away from the hard work of being an actual top athlete. You can't make it on skill alone.
Then, you're also taking the chance that the attention from medias and fans doesn't affect his game.
Then you're taking the chance Doughty would work well in Martin's system.
We know Subban can work in those circumstances. Not only that, but we know Subban has done it as a rookie.
Most of us picking Subban are picking him because he's one of the few who has been able to realize his full potential in Montreal despite long odds.
People who come to Montreal need to be mature at an early age in the way they approach their professional career. They have to be smart enough to avoid the temptations of Montreal and to not be overwhelmed by the fact they become pop stars.
It's an entirely different thing than to play in LA.
Trading Subban for Doughty is a gamble that I'd not take considering the not so wide gap between the two. A gamble that Doughty would do better than Subban has right here in Montreal. We're not in a hockey simulator.
Half the fans from other teams don't know or understand that and the other half just wants to troll us so I could care less what other people think.
Thing is, he's a fine PKer, great leader in the room, and pretty consistent guy but do you really want him on your first 2 pairings ? Sure Subban-Gill is a solid pairing that's greater than the sum of Gill's parts
but really... there would be quite a few other partners Subban could get who would be a lot better. Now... maybe his "father figure" qualities would be missed though. But Subban has been fine up to now, don't see why that wouldn't continue with/without Gill.
I said he played like a top 10 the second half of the year and I maintain it.
You say he makes mistakes. He does, but the end result is what matters. It's not how you do it, it's that you do it.
Subban was playing against top notch opposition. He was producing pts as a top 10 dman offensively on an average team with a very defensive system. He was maintaining excellent micro stats. He was playing with a 3rd pairing dman. He was getting the job done playing sometimes 27 min in the playoffs. He outshined Chara in the first round by a mile IMO. And he did that all of the second half of the season consistently every game.
Did he make mistakes in his own end ? Did he show inexperience positionally ? Yes he did. But he got the job done despite that. And when I say got the job done.. I mean as good as any other dman in the league. You can't expect more than a guy going out there and eating top minutes against top opposition and putting up a lot of pts. When Subban is on the ice we spend most of our time in the opposition's other end. THAT is what matters. How he gets it done doesn't matter all that much. Some guys do it with smart sound positional defense and great stick work while Subban did it with speed, energy and desire like when he shadowed Crosby a year ago on that cool sequence. The end result was the same as any of the other really good dman out there : when Subban was on the ice, we didn't spend our time hemmed in our own zone. Unlike when Gill, a third pairing guy, was paired with Josh Gorges. So clearly it's not Gill's skills making the difference here.
To be clear I doubt Doughty continues to slip. Last year was probably as low as it's gonna get. But, there are still questions... questions that always get answered in Montreal.
Just to be clear... we aren't talking about trading Doughty for Subban. It's an evaluation of talent and potential that's all. Doughty with Montreal or Martin isn't really what we're talking about here.
You'd go with Subban? I'm cool with that. I think there's valid reason to think that way based on his potential. He really is a special talent but that talent is very raw right now.
Some guys are never able to have the defensive instincts to make the right play. However, defense is a lot easier to teach than offense is and I believe that Subban will learn D as he develops. The thing that I think most people like about Doughty though is that he's already proven that he can play both offensively and defensively. If his career is anything like he's shown in his sophmore year, he's going to be sick. And it's shocking to think that he's actually younger than PK.
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Keep campaigning to paint me a troll all you want. I disagree as would most hockey fans. To me, this thread is just another case of huge homer'ism.
Some of it might be, but the question is far more legitimate than you're painting it to be. And again, Hab fans didn't make this poll... TSN did. And they did so because folks who understand the game of hockey look at PK and see that he has exceptional skills and raw talent. I'd take Doughty too but I think Subban is going to have a great career and it's closer than you think it will be.
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