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07-19-2011, 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Chalfdiggity3 View Post
I read Boyles remarks and i do see his points but there are plenty of flaws with his comments too. You can list all the stats that you want but there are always players that have sophmore slumps. Or have started hot and never amounted to much.
I never really listed any stats regarding why he wouldn't "slump". It's just that your typical sophomore slump is due to the attention that said rookie garners from his outstanding season. Paajarvi wasn't really on anyone's radar by the end of last season.

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I never said that MPS didnt have a good year, im just saying that with all the hype surrounding him, i just dont think he will be the player everyone is overhyping him to be. I think hell end up a very good 2nd line LW.
Why? A similar player, Nikolai Kulemin, had a very similar statline, but he did so while being 2 years older than Paajarvi.

Besides -- no one has really said anything different(other than your typical over hypers). His ceiling is a ~60-~70 point, two-way winger. That statement still rings somewhat true -- it was just he didn't live up to his rookie "hype". The "hype" some of these players get is ridiculous -- I wouldn't use it to determine any player's future.

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The kid still averaged 17-18min a game, thats still solid 2nd line minutes, or top end 3rd line minutes depending upon how well he is playing.
He averaged 15:23 a game. When he was given more ice-time at the end of the year, this is what his game log looked like:

GameGAP+/-PPSHSSHFTTOI
Apr 10 '11 EDM @ COL01100032216:28
Apr 08 '11 MIN @ EDM000-10012017:23
Apr 06 '11 EDM @ CGY10100052418:43
Apr 05 '11 VAN @ EDM10101062420:09
Apr 02 '11 EDM @ VAN10100032417:11
Mar 31 '11 EDM @ MIN011-10031916:46
Mar 29 '11 LAK @ EDM000-10032016:18
Mar 26 '11 CGY @ EDM10100062619:22
Mar 24 '11 EDM @ STL000-10011918:27
Mar 22 '11 EDM @ NSH00000042016:40
Mar 19 '11 COL @ EDM01110082522:54
Mar 17 '11 PHX @ EDM101-20122121:54

This was the most ice-time he averaged throughout the entire season; before these games, he hadn't played over 20 minutes yet in any game. He had 8 points in these 11 games -- and if you arrange the chart by shifts, you see the more shifts he got, the more consistent he was in his point production. He was also, assuredly, more comfortable on NA ice and at the NHL pace.

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Umm idk about you but I thought Omark and Gagner were supposed to be talented offensive players? not sure how you can say he didnt play with quality players.
Omark is basically a more flashy, less defensively responsible version of Zuccarello. Very skilled, but he was in the same boat as Paajarvi -- except for the fact that he's 3 years older. He put up nearly identical numbers to Zuccarello, too. As for Gagner -- he's a slow, ~45 point center. He isn't exactly a dynamo out there.

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Originally Posted by Chalfdiggity3 View Post
Stepan still had 45pts with the likes of Wolski and Zucca as his linemates. Not real
Stepan was coming out of the North American developmental system -- Paajarvi out of the European system. The ice being different, and the pace of the game being different, are very important factors that you have to take into account when evaluating these 20 year old players.

Also, Stepan's combinations:

FrequencySituationCenterRWLW
15.59%EVSTEPAN,DEREKZUCCARELLO,MATSWOLSKI,WOJTEK
5.66%EVSTEPAN,DEREKGABORIK,MARIANPROSPAL,VACLAV
5.46%EVSTEPAN,DEREKCALLAHAN,RYANDUBINSKY,BRANDON

He also averaged over a minute more of ice-time than Paajarvi -- getting more PP time as well.

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