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07-27-2011, 02:24 AM
Esa 10
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Originally Posted by Sting36e View Post

Because he's a significantly stronger all-around player than Ladd? They are just about equal offensively (maybe Ladd is a bit better), but away from the puck, Ladd is like Dubinsky or Laich who you mention below. Solid, better than average, but no Callahan. Not even close. Also, captain of a bad team and a cup ring from a squad where he was a player of little consequence.

Actually, he is. Kesler's greatest asset, like Callahan's, is his play away from the puck. Kesler is one of the best in the league in that regard. Better than Callahan, but Callahan is not far behind. Kesler is a top 5 all-around forward in this league. Callahan is top 15-20.

Other than being bigger and more durable, there is nothing about Laich that is more appealing than Callahan. Laich is a solid two-way forward, and a good player. Similar to Callahan, but Callahan is a better player in every aspect of the game, and does just as much offensively despite not being on the same team as Ovechkin/Backstrom/Semin/Green.

There's a couple of reasons Cally's representation wants him to reach the UFA market soon. One of those reasons is that if Callahan ever hit the open market, every single coach in this league would instantly begin pestering their respective GMs to do almost anything to get Callahan signed. No, he's not going to get the same kind of money that elite offensive players get, but he'll definitely get paid, especially because the competition for him would be huge. Players who are as strong in every part of the game and as consistent as Callahan are incredibly rare. There are, at most 20, forwards in this league that are comparable to him in that regard. Probably less. Unfortunately, most fans don't understand the game from a tactical perspective, and they can't appreciate how unbelievable important it is to have a player that makes the right play every shift, every game, and that you can't say that about more than a handful of players.

If Callahan hits the open market next year, he is getting AT LEAST 5.5 mil. But I don't think that's going to happen. They'll get him signed before the hearing.
Ladd was an integral part of Chicago's 3rd line. No, he wasn't Keith or Kane, but let's not make it sound like he was some spare part, getting 5 minutes a game either. As far as the captaincy goes, I brought it up because a lot is made of (rightfully so) Cally's intangibles. Ladd was given the "C" after a trade, before even playing a game for the Thrashers. That speaks volumes for the high regard he is held in. Bad team or not, there a still only 30 in the league. Does Calgary's poor standing diminish Iginla's status as captain? Cally is an "A" up to this point. He is projected to be named captain of what's been essentially a bubble team. It's not like he's about to take over the leadership role in Detroit or Pittsburgh.

Callahan is significantly better than Ladd away from the puck. Granted. Ladd is a more talented offensive player. What you fail to mention is the difference in physical stature between the two. Ladd's hitting wears down the opposition a lot more than Cally's. He's more likely to come away with the puck from a corner collision. Much harder to contain going to/in front of the net, leading to more/better scoring chances. These are elements Ladd (Kesler and Laich too) will always be superior in to Cally.

You also have to question how long Cally can keep playing this physical style without wearing down. It is certainly something to be concerned with when contemplating a 6 year contract. He can adjust by relying on more stick-checking but that would diminish his value as a spark-plug. When you take everything into consideration, I believe Cally and Ladd are very close in value. Even if you don't, Cally's the riskier long term proposition.

A comparison between Laich and Cally would run along similar lines. Cally has the edge away-from the puck and defensively. Offensively though, Laich is the more established commodity. His numbers are no doubt helped by the rest of Washington's offense, but he's been pretty consistent over the years. The Capitals know what they'll be getting within that particular setting.

Cally had 40 and 37 points over 2 full seasons before hitting 48 in 60 last year. Has he turned the corner or was last year an aberration?

Which brings us to Kesler. You say Cally is close in value to him while admitting that Kesler is the better all-around player. That would mean disregarding the difference in offense provided by the two players. Kesler put up 59, 75, and 73 points over the last 3 years. 26, 25, and a whopping 41 goals.

How are the two even remotely close? Contracts still put a premium on offense. In this case, the much, much better offensive player is also better in every other facet of the game, bigger, more physical, and likely to be more durable over the course of the contract.

If Cally is worth at least 5.5 mil on the open market, how much did Kesler leave on the table to stay in Vancouver for 5M? 2 or 3 million? His agent (btw, the same one who represents Dubi) isn't that clueless.

All-around players don't get payed as much as the ones who put up big offensive numbers. Whether it's forwards or defensemen. When they do, you wind up in the situation this team already had with Drury. Spending more on the same thing the rest of the league is paying less for. Still having to pay the market rate for scoring. That's not a recipe for success in a cap world.

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