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07-27-2011, 04:26 AM
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I thought your post was really good, up until this post. I think the notion of an "all around" player is very weird to talk about. I mean, sure, Callahan is a good all around player. But who would you want, Ovechkin or Callahan? Anyone saying Callahan should be sent to the corner right away. But, Callahan, technically speaking, is a better all around player than Ovechkin. What does that tell you about the importance of being an all around player?
And do guys like Chara count as all around players? because then there are quite a few defenseman up there as well, Lidstrom, Chara, Weber, etc
I never said that Callahan was valued as much as an elite offensive player. I mentioned a salary of at least $5-5.5 million. That is not the money that elite offensive players get paid.
Guys like Chara, Pronger, and Weber are all very good all-around defensemen. Near the top. Not as good as Lidstrom (maybe at this age, he's not quite as amazing as he was even 3 years ago and prior) or Suter, for example. I love Weber. He's awesome, but I'll take Suter. He's the better, more important player.
Is Cally a great 2-way player. Sure.
But the importance of being an all-around player are vastly overstated.
Id rather have a 50/50/100 forward than an "all around" guy who is more 20/30/50
I think you're a great poster, so I'm not trying to be a jerk by saying this, but in my opinion, for whatever it's worth, that shows a lack of understanding of one of the most fundamental things about the sport.
Excellent "all-around" players are well above-average, or better, in all aspects of the game, and nearly always qualify as standard bearers in the all-encompassing area of "hockey sense," or hockey IQ or whatever else you want to call it. It means players who consistently play the game at near the highest, or the highest levels every time they take the ice. It means players who are the best in the sport in terms of positioning, timing, anticipation, ability to read plays, vision, execution of plays and the ability to rely as much on their stick as their body, if not more so, when playing defense in order to reduce the chances of injury, expending energy, or taking penalties. It means players who don't make mistakes, players who make big plays, players who almost always make the right play.
The only players in the league that hold more value than this relatively small group of players are the players with elite offensive abilities, in certain cases elite enough that teams disregard their relatively weak "all-around" play or locker room issues, or both. Any other player group is valued less than the best "all-around" players.
You'll notice that in almost every case, the players who are the best of the best in terms of offensive skill/talent are also among the league's best "all-around" players. The league's best all-around player is Pavel Datsyuk. In his prime, I easily take him over Ovechkin. I also take Crosby over Ovechkin, because Crosby is one of the better "all-around" players in the league (he's also blessed with the prototype for what a perfect hockey physique should be). Niklas Lidstrom is the best defenseman of his generation. He's also the best all-around defenseman of his generation.
These, of course, are the cream of the crop. And, in terms of forwards, Ryan Kesler is not far behind Datsyuk. Callahan is not that far behind Kesler.
I do understand that Cally is a valuable player.
But your post makes him out to be an elite player.
and an elite player he is not. As others have said, pay him the same RFA/UFA numbers that Dubi got.
No, it does not. Elite players get paid more than 5.5-6 million dollars, which is what Callahan is probably worth as a UFA, unless we are talking a lifetime-style contract, which is also not something I suggested.
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