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08-09-2011, 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by habsjunkie2 View Post
Sure the context is important, but that seems to be completely lost for the guys on defensive side. Are they defensive because they're vastly superior to others, or are the defensive because they have no offense to speak of?
Defense is a skill -- a vital skill -- not just the absence of offense. It's the difference between Regehr and Gill, or between Gorges and Picard.

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Originally Posted by habsjunkie2 View Post
You seem to imply Ehrhoff has the better numbers offensively mainly because he's given more opportunity to do so, pp time ect.
Skill is obviously a factor as well, but being good on the PP and being good 5-on-5 are different, albeit related, skills.

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Simply he doesn't have to as often because he is better offensively than his teammates or the opposite, the others are better defensively, which in the case of Bieska isn't even true.
It's a possibility, but coaches generally aren't stupid. If a guy is good defensively he'll get defensive assignments and tough matchups. If he can't handle them, then he won't get them.

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If Regehr was somewhat comparable offensively he would likely see his share of offensive zone draws this year
That's not necessarily true. Regehr Being able to handle tough minutes is generally more valuable than putting up the occasional 5-on-5 point for D-men, so a player who can do it will get the tough minutes regardless of his offensive ability. For the Habs, for example, this meant that Markov would systematically face opposition top lines, even though he was also far and away the best offensive defenseman on the team.

Likewise PK Subban, who won't be accused of being lacking in offensive skills anytime soon, took an increasing load of defensive draws and tough minutes as he established himself as the team's top defenseman during the 2010-2011 season. His offensive skills didn't get worse; simply, he demonstrated his ability to be a top defender, and Martin used him in tougher and tougher minutes until at the end of the season, his offensive zone start ratio was 44% and he was spending most of that time doing top zone starts.

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