The need for Lucic
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08-15-2011, 12:19 AM
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Callahan is just as good as a 'below the goal-line' player as Lucic. He's a more efficient forechecker because he's a much better skater, and a much smarter player than Lucic. He can read plays like not many other 2nd line forwards can, Lucic not being one of them.
Yeah but he has SIZE. He doesn't need to be as fast since he can muscle guys off pucks. The past two Hart Trophy winners aren't elite skaters either. There is also nothing to indicate Callahan is a smarter player than Lucic. Lucic can also read plays, can't move him from the front of the net and generally you need to be a smart player to work the cycle game. Callahan is a 2nd liner and will be a 2nd liner. Lucic is a 1st liner on a cup winning team with room to grow and he hasn't hit his prime years.
And they lost both of those games.
So? He shows up for every big game. Does it matter if the TEAM lost both games? Lucic shows up, even if he's not scoring. Lucic is a game breaker, Callahan isn't.
Callahan had 48 points in 60 games.
Lucic had 62 in 82.
Higher P/60 mins and played 4 less MPG than Callahan. I rest my case.
Yeah, I know that we're just dealing with pace here, but when Callahan played, his statistics were essentially even with Lucic's. Also, points aren't everything.
I'll take the real thing over something that hypothetically would of happened.
I don't see the significance in this when they had a relatively even PPG.
Callahan had a 2.04 P/60 mins, Lucic, 2.64 P/60 mins. I'd say that is a pretty big gap between the two.
That doesn't really symbolize anything, either. It just shows that Lucic was on a better defensive team.
It proves Lucic isn't a defensive liability since he is good defensively.
They don't even compare in that facet. Lucic gets 0 pking time because he's a horrendous skater that cannot keep up in the defensive zone.
Not playing on the PK doesn't mean the player is putrid defensively. Bruins had better PKers in Paille, Campbell, Kelly, Marchand, etc. No need to waste minutes on a player when there are better players suited for that role.
Lucic creates offense with his size and strength down low, but aside from that, he is not as smart as Callahan, and that goes a long way in making a player more effective.
Again there is nothing to prove that Callahan is 'more smart'. Hockey fans assume powerforwards are dumb hockey players, similar to how people assume PMD are useless in the playoffs. Both are wrong.
Is Callahan not an above-average board player?
Not as good as Lucic
Also, I would say that Krejci's play benefited Lucic more sore than Lucic benefited Krejci. Not vice-versa
Maybe. But they both definitely help each other, hence they both had the same amount of points.
going to discredit players for it, because an empty net goal is essentially the definition of stat padding. It shows that Lucic's goal scoring prowess is significantly overstated. I say the same thing for Dubinsky, really.
It's stat padding if you pull your goalie when your team is down by more than 3 goals late in the third, this is what Tampa did with Stamkos so he could secure the Richard trophy. You can't fault a player for scoring an empty net goal when the opposing team decided to pull their goalie.
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