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3rd Lines

Mike Krushelnyski-Michal Pivonka-Anders Kallur

vs.

Andre Pronvost-Art Jackson-Mike Murphy

Offensively, Krushelnyski is easily superior. His adjusted career .5229 PPG trumps Pronovost's .3974. It's not close. Defensively, I'd give a small edge to Pronovost, but it's certainly not as large as their gap in offensive ability. Krushelnyski is a better skater and stickhandler as well. Pronovost is probably a little more physical, despite being smaller. Overall, the largest gap between the two is the offensive gap, and that combined with better hands and speed make Krushelnyski the superior player.

That brings us to Michal Pivonka and Art Jackson. I'm not convinced Art Jackson is that strong of a player. His strongest years offensively came when Boston's top players left and he played with Bill Cowley and Herb Cain as the obvious 3rd best player on the line. Also in his previous years, I can't help but think he was getting some extremely favorable matchups. Schmidt-Cowley was a tremendous 1-2 punch to have, and they were definitely drawing the most attention from opposing teams in terms of matchups, leaving Jackson out against the weaker players on the other team. If you adjust Jackson's assist finishes to Pivonka's league size, Pivonka comes out as the much better playmaker. Pivonka has an edge in physicality as well. In terms of defensive play, Pivonka was called a top defensive center, and Jackson was just called a "checker". Overall, I like Pivonka as the better overall player with all things considered.

In Murphy and Kallur, we have 2 of the strongest penalty killers in the draft. Both were noted shorthanded threats, each with 19 career shorthanded goals. But, Kallur did it in less than half as many games(383 compared to Murphy's 831), so Kallur is the better shorthanded threat, and might be the best shorthanded threat in this draft. Looking at who was a better PKer, I'd take Kallur as both the better shorthanded threat and defensive PKer. Murphy has no notable Selke finishes that I could find, whereas Kallur finished 7th and 10th. Kallur is better defensively. Offensively, Murphy was a better point producer in the NHL, but Kallur does have a good resume from his years in Sweden. But, Murphy is probably a little better offensive overall. Kallur was known as being a great skater, I'd give him an advantage here as well. Murphy was a more physical player. All things considered, I think Kallur is the better overall player.

Overall, 3rd lines are an advantage to Philadelphia. Philadelphia's 3rd line is better offensively, and probably slightly better defensively as well.
By the way I never got to the Pronovost and Krushelnyski comparison, so I'm going to go ahead and take care of that now. Pronovost is a guy I almost took in the ATD with my last selection, but we ended up deciding we wanted a guy who could also play center.

Pronovost is an equal skater to Krushelnyski in my view (check out the Our Canadiens site, he was cited as a strong skater who had strength despite his compact frame). Both were among the better skaters in the NHL in their times. Also, Pronovost is a much better defender than Krush. Krush was known as a solid contributer on a third checking line, whereas Pronovost "Effectively stifling superstars on opposing teams, Pronovost played a key role in the Habs’ success," and was a "defensive specialist" for the Canadiens playing with Provost and Goyette. Also, I think Pronovost is a lot more physical as well as he was known for a "heavy hip check he consistently brought to the rink every night."

As far as offense, I think the comparison is closer than it is made out to be here. Pronovost wasn't a scoring line player in his career (mostly because of who he was playing behind), but he still brought enough to be a threat, as evidenced by his 16 goals in '58, which was 27th in the NHL which isn't bad for a guy who was a defensive specialist. He's also got a few 35-43 ranks in goals as well. He was in my opinion, every bit as good of a goal scorer as a guy like Eric Nesterenko. While he's not as good as Krushelnyski offensively, I think the picture is closer than the one painted here. If you go by adjusted goals per game instead of points, and take out Krush's Gretzky season (don't feel like doing the math), then I think that it will paint a much closer picture in offensive value.

I think Pronovost in their presently constructed line functions is a more valuable piece here than Krushelnyski, especially when taking playoff performance into account.

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