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08-20-2011, 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by That Stepan Guy View Post
Larsson would be a nice addition and I'm willing to give up Del Zotto, but not Stepan. DZ has yet to reach his full potential and it would be better to let him develop. Stepan is one of our younger centers, but put up 45 points in his rookie season, with 21 goals. Anisimov, Callahan, and Dubinsky didn't reach either for some time, Anisimov has yet to score 20. I understand the logic behind the trade, but it just isn't needed. The Rangers have more than enough defensive depth and the mere fact that you think Larsson is suited for top line minutes in his rookie season is ludicrous.

You also have to think about it, would a long time divisional rival like the Devils give up their best prospect in years? No way. Larsson is a stud and is already built for the NHL. The Devils have a lack of puck moving defenseman and Larsson solves that problem.

Stepan would be nice for the Devils, considering he'd solve any center depth problems and would be a great # 2 for them. Del Zotto, despite being a puck moving defenseman won't provide as much appeal to the Devils. He isn't built like Larsson, and is far too inconsistent. The Devils would want more.

The second deal is laughable and absolutely atrocious at best. There isn't any way the Devils would deal Parise to a rival like the Rangers. Parise is a 90 point player and can dominate with Kovalchuk, there's no reason to trade him for scraps in comparison.

Girardi and Boyle have value, but not nearly enough. They're good, but they aren't all stars. Boyle is still a 4th liner, not a top line player, his 20 goal season doesn't up his value by too much. Girardi is a # 2 on the Rangers, but he'd get downgraded to at leas # 3 on the Devils. He's a solid guy to have, but he doesn't produce that much.

Cam Talbot is less of a player than you make him out to be. He isn't a bonafide goaltending talent, he's an AHL depth goaltender with potential to be a backup. The Devils have Claremont who is much better than Talbot. The mere fact that you think Talbot can replace an NHL great like Brodeur is ridiculous.

The worst thing is that you include a 2nd from New Jersey. You didn't even offer enough for Parise. If you want Parise, your first offer needs to start with Staal or Callahan.
"Larsson would be a nice addition and I'm willing to give up Del Zotto, but not Stepan. DZ has yet to reach his full potential and it would be better to let him develop. Stepan is one of our younger centers, but put up 45 points in his rookie season, with 21 goals. Anisimov, Callahan, and Dubinsky didn't reach either for some time, Anisimov has yet to score 20. I understand the logic behind the trade, but it just isn't needed. The Rangers have more than enough defensive depth and the mere fact that you think Larsson is suited for top line minutes in his rookie season is ludicrous."

bold: have to give to get.
Also strongly prefer the more physical AA to Stepan
I would start him next to the more shutdown Staal, giving Larsson a little more cushion on rushes. But the D unit will split up enough minutes to get the job done, It's not like our D unit is too old.

"You also have to think about it, would a long time divisional rival like the Devils give up their best prospect in years? No way. Larsson is a stud and is already built for the NHL. The Devils have a lack of puck moving defenseman and Larsson solves that problem.

Stepan would be nice for the Devils, considering he'd solve any center depth problems and would be a great # 2 for them. Del Zotto, despite being a puck moving defenseman won't provide as much appeal to the Devils. He isn't built like Larsson, and is far too inconsistent. The Devils would want more."

IF Stepan and MDZ play to their potential, as it stand now on paper, not certain of how good Larsson actually is, and just making a rough preliminary guess as to that, then Devs get better of deal. If he really is the second coming of ___________ fill in the blank with an elite name, then no, Stepan + Del Zotto are not enough.

As to interconference rival, that is why I said value of at the top. LL would want more, but this is reasonable and immediately profitable value for Larsson TODAY.
If I were LL, I too would hold out to see how Larsson fares. But my point was, IMO, it is profitable for Jersey now.

"The second deal is laughable and absolutely atrocious at best. There isn't any way the Devils would deal Parise to a rival like the Rangers. Parise is a 90 point player and can dominate with Kovalchuk, there's no reason to trade him for scraps in comparison.

Girardi and Boyle have value, but not nearly enough. They're good, but they aren't all stars. Boyle is still a 4th liner, not a top line player, his 20 goal season doesn't up his value by too much. Girardi is a # 2 on the Rangers, but he'd get downgraded to at leas # 3 on the Devils. He's a solid guy to have, but he doesn't produce that much."

Again, Parise on a 1 year contract commands much, much, much less.
You greatly discount the value of Girardi, the shotblocking champ of all non Gs, and Boyle. Also they are very reasonable contracts, which adds to their trade value.

"Cam Talbot is less of a player than you make him out to be. He isn't a bonafide goaltending talent, he's an AHL depth goaltender with potential to be a backup. The Devils have Claremont who is much better than Talbot. The mere fact that you think Talbot can replace an NHL great like Brodeur is ridiculous."

I didn't say as you infer that Talbot is in the category or Brodeur in his prime.
Bordeur will soon go buh-bye, NJ will need competition for that position soon.
Talbot is enough a prospect that, even if he needs more seasoning, he can compete for a roster spot whether they go with 2 or even 3 Gs in the short term as they select both an heir and a backup. Talbot is not the solution, but part of the solution.

"The worst thing is that you include a 2nd from New Jersey. You didn't even offer enough for Parise. If you want Parise, your first offer needs to start with Staal or Callahan."

Again, Parise, one year rental, no guarantees, no big payoff in trade.
If one team is desperate and close to the Cup, they will over pay IF Parise is not injured. And no, I'd rather have Staal/Cally.
Given it is only a 1 year rental, I consider the amount fair.
Let's see Devs play competitively for the whole season and matter --- if not they will have to move Parise of suffer a Richards like Dallas last year.

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