: Bill Meltzer:
Best/Worst Trades and Playoffs OT goals
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08-21-2011, 03:34 PM
Join Date: Jan 2007
1) Brad McCrimmon to Calgary for 1989 1st Round draft choice (later transferred to Toronto; Steve Bancroft) and 1988 3rd Round draft choice (Dominic Roussel)
2. Patrick Sharp and Eric Meloche to Chicago for Matt Ellison and a 2006 3rd Round draft choice (transferred to Montreal -- Ryan White)
3. Dave Poulin to Boston for Ken Linseman
4. Brian Propp to Boston for a 1990 2nd Round draft pick (Terran Sandwith)
5) Maxime Ouellet, 2002 1st Round draft pick (transferred to Dallas - Martin Vagner), 2002 2nd Round draft pick (Maxime Daigneault), and a 2002 3rd Round draft pick (Derek Krestanovich) to Washington for Adam Oates
Fist off, the Poulin and Propp trades weren't necessarily "bad" trades. The team wasn't able to get over the hump with them as our core, they were aging and a new direction needed to be taken. They held far more value to us just from them having been our core for so long then we could actually recieve in a trade. The team ended up "lost" for a number of years after they left but in all honestly, we would STILL have suffered many seasons of missing the playoffs even if they had stayed. Trading them didn't actuall make us better nor worse.
Now, regarding #1, though the return may not have been great, McCrimmon FORCED himself out of Philly on his own. When you had players like Barber and Clarke being "team players" and then McCrimmon wants "paid" while not even being close to the level of the guys taking less to be team players it was viewed as a slap in the face of the organization. I understand that many of the younger posters won't understand this philosophy but it was a very different time back in the 70's and 80's, players were NOT "me first" type guys. Hell, not even Poulin, Propp and Kerr were selfish "me first" type players. Brad was being dealt no matter what. We got what we could for him.
Regarding the Oates trade, EVERYONE at the time was *****ing and compaining aboue how we traded away our future "Bernie Parent". Well guess what, it was BERNIE himself who told Clarke to trade Max. Ouellet was uncoachable and would never be an NHL goalie, as per Parents own words. Also, the 2002 draft was a VERY weak draft and we did keep the early 1st rnd pick we had that year. Also, at that time Oates was still considered one of the best setup men in the NHL and we had injurues to two of our top 3 centers at the time of the trade (one was still out and one had just come back IIRC). We were starting to slide in the standings and we did this trade to sure-up the regular season and to add a piece that we hoped would put us over the top and win us the cup. Everyone likes to say "Oh, in hinde-sight it wasn't bad because none of the players/picks we gave up amounted to anyhting but at the time it was stupid". the TRUTH is that Bernie Parent KNEW that Max wouldn't cut it way back then and it was very well known at the time that outside of the top 10 or so in that years draft, the class was VERY weak in talent.
Now, regarding the "best" trades of all time, I can't see how you DON'T have the Lindros trade from Quebec as one of the best ever. Yes we gave up a lot to get him and they used those parts to add to a core that became perenial cup contenders but Lindros brought us back to the playoffs and it's because of him that we had the then new "CoreState/First Union Center build (I can't remember what it was named when it first opened but I personally liked it when it was the FU Center, lol). This team had been floundering at or near the bottom of the league for far too long and we NEEDED to change that "losing" mentality that was permiating all around us. Aquiring "the next one" did that for us instantly. IMO it was the second best trade we ever made just after the Parent trade.
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