Habs management doesn't get it...(umpteenth toughness thread)
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08-29-2011, 10:32 AM
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We'll just leave the Tanguay thing alone. As another example though, I threw out Kyle Wellwood's name as being 'soft' because he was the most stark example of a player that fits this description. I don't think anyone would disagree with me on this because he's never been a Hab so people can put any personal feelings aside on this guy. He was widely been considered the softest player in the league until he took off for Europe when no teams would sign him up.
How can we show this statistically though? I don't think we can. We can show that he didn't get the icetime that he otherwise might. We can show that no team was interested enough in him to pick him up and so he left for Europe. But there isn't a stat that can really capture how soft this guy is. Yes, we could look at hits but even that stat only provides a hint at what the player is really all about.
Again, hockey isn't baseball. There are elements to the game that are hard to quantify in this. Just like when Pronger takes somebody out in the corner, the effects of that hit may not be felt in that period or that game, but it may benefit his club down the road. The only place you'll see it is in the win column.
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Not really, Cause we have presented a bunch of evidence of why we think having a fighter is a must, it's you guys that choose to not to believe it. It's you guys that think that if 1 player has an injury or a concussion that a fighter is useless. That fact if the matter is, no matter how hard you try, you can't put the positive mental side of having a protector or a fighter on a piece of paper, just like you can't do it with leadership, confidence or work ethic. You like seeing your best players coming back to the bench with their heads between their tales? That's fine, but I don't. Our best forward said during an interview that he wouldn't mind an enforcer, you know just like everybody else that when the mikes are off it means "get me help, ASAP." We're part of the toughest division with no equipment to defend ourselves, that's what I call a need.
I don't think a pure fighter is a must. I think we need more physical players and maybe some that can drop the gloves if they need to, but it's a different game than it used to be.
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