MLD2011 Sir Montagu Allan Final (1) Eden Hall Warriors vs. (2) Philadelphia Quakers
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08-30-2011, 06:48 PM
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The early era guys - an attempt to account for competition
1. Haviland Routh = 19 goals in 8 games
2. Norman Rankin = 11 goals in 8 games
3. Arthur Swift = 10 goals in 6
3. Herbert Russell = 10 goals in 8 games
3. Robert MacDougall = 10 goals in 8 games
As we can see, MacDougall's vaunted 3rd place finish is a tie for 3rd, with a lower goals per game average than Dolly Swift, and only 53% of Routh's total.
1. Robert MacDougall = 10 goals in 6 games
2. Clare McKerrow = 8 goals in 6 games
3. Shirley Davidson = 8 goals in 7 games
4. Arthur Swift = 8 goals in 8 games
5. Harry Westwick = 8 goals in 8 games
MacDougall's best season, though we should all note that it involved a sample size of 6 games.
1. Cam Davidson = 14 goals in 7 games
2. Clare McKerrow = 13 goals in 8 games
3. Robert McDougall = 12 goals in 8 games
4. Desse Brown = 11 goals in 8 games
5. Graham Drinkwater = 10 goals in 8 games
5. James Gillespie = 10 goals in 8 games
MacDougall had 86% of the goals of 1st place Cam Davidson - a man who I believe has never been drafted (or does he have a nickname he's usually drafted under)?
MacDougall finished 7th with 7 goals, 39% of what 1st place Harry Trihey had. Sure, he was 1st in goals per game with 7 goals in only 2 games, but... it was 2 freaking games! And he didn't even blow away the competition, 2nd place in overall points Clare McKerrow had 12 goals in 4 games, which I think is far more impressive.
I'm going to use this source:
for McGimsie's competition, with a correction to Tommy Phillips' numbers in 04-05, as per Iain.
McGimsie placed 1st according to Iain, but I couldn't find a source for league scoring.
1903 Challenge Match vs. the Ottawa Silver Seven
: Scored 3 of his team's 4 goals over two games. Yes, that's the dynasty Silver Seven - the best team in all of hockey and McGimsie scored 3 goals against them. Seems like he could do just fine against good competition. By the way, does MacDougall have any record in clutch games to speak of?
Billy McGimsie = 14 goals
(Iain has McGimsie with 16 goals, still good for 1st)
Harry Bright = 13 goals
Si Griffis = 12 goals
Jack Brodie = 9 goals
Tommy Phillips = 29
Billy McGimsie = 28
Billy Breen = 19
Si Griffis = 15
Clint Bennest = 14
Billy Breen = 28
Tommy Phillips = 23
Billy McGimsie = 19
(Iain has him with 21 goals, still 3rd)
Billy Kean = 11
Si Griffis = 8
As Iain said, the Manitoba League was basically, Tommy Phillips, Billy McGimsie, and Billy Breen, then everyone else when it came to goal scoring.
McDougall percentages: 100, 86 (of Cam Davidson), 53 (of Haviland Routh), 39 (of Harry Trihey)
McGimsie percentages: 100, 100, 97 (of Tommy Phillips), 68/75* (of Billy Breen) *depending on which number you use
Note on competition: McDougall's league was probably the best league in the world, McGimsie's league wasn't. But that doesn't necessarily mean McDougall's league was better than McGimsie's, considering how much hockey advanced between the 1890s and the 1900s. For example, Tommy Phillips was much better than anyone who played in McDougall's league.
Even if McDougall's league was stronger (and neither of us really knows for sure), it certainly wasn't stronger enough to overcome
how much more thoroughly McGimsie dominated his league.
Billy McGimsie was at least as good a goal scorer as Bob McDougall
Anecdotally, McGimsie is known to have been at least as much of a playmaker as a goal scorer; McDougall seems to have nothing but the goals he scored
McGimsie was a relative superstar out west (along with Si Griffis, below Tommy Phillips)
McDougall's own profile talks about him being overshadowed by teammate defensemen Mike Grant and Graham Drinkwater
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