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09-06-2011, 10:34 AM
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From Brian Campbell's bio:

Brian Campbell is 9th in total points since the last lockout (a sample size of 6 years). He is the only one of the top 16 to not be drafted in the main draft! And it's not a distant 9th either. Lidstrom is far ahead of everyone as expected, but Campbell has 87.4% of second place Visnovsky.

Originally Posted by jarek View Post
Because Campbell is one of the most overrated pieces of **** in the entire league.
So I take it you're not biased on the subject? Heh.
You claim Campbell lost PP time to Keith and Seabrook in Chicago. Why is that? According to your bio, they were proud to get an elite PP defenseman, yet he lost time on the first unit to ****ing Seabrook of all people. Why is that?
I already said it was because of Seabrook's chemistry with Keith. Brian Campbell is a left handed shot, just like Duncan Keith. Brent Seabrook is a right handed shot. Most teams prefer to put a righty and a lefty together on the points of the PP, so that both pointmen have favorable shooting angles.

For the record, both of Eden Hall's pairs of PP pointmen feature a LH shot next to a RH shot.

I noticed that you completely ignored the PK'ing deficiency of Campbell. Why is that?
Because he's not on our PK. He's our 6th option out there. Unlike Regina, Eden Hall paid careful attention to special teams roles while drafting our defensemen.

You also don't seem to be in too much of a hurry to challenge Campbell being soft, or weak defensively. Why is that?
Because pretending a player is something he's not isn't exactly a winning strategy. Campbell is elite offensively for the MLD level and nothing special defensively. I don't think he's necessarily soft - RJ Umberger would certainly disagree - but he's not consistently tough or anything.

Campbell's play in his own zone isn't his strength, but he's far from the worst. He was no specialist - as Dreakmur pointed out, he was the #1 defenseman on Buffalo when they won the President's Trophy. He was also the #3 on Chicago when they won the Stanley Cup.

True defensive liabilities like Housley and early Gonchar get sheltered ice time on good teams. Campbell hasn't been sheltered - this isn't the case of Tomas Kaberle who won a Cup as a bottom pairing defenseman - Campbell had a fairly big role with Chicago.

Also, why am I slogging on Campbell? Because he did NOTHING.. NOTHING.. could barely put up 10 points in a season before 2006. Maybe once I see comparisons to the other defensemen in this series, I'll change my mind, but I think he's AAA level. You can't even call him a specialist at what he supposedly specializes at.
9th in scoring since the lockout (despite losing his spot on the top PP for some of those years) isn't doing something?

And again, he led the President's Trophy winner in ice time and was the #3 of a Cup winner in a different season. That's not what I would call a "specialist."

As for your "AAA level" thing, to an extent all the players in MLD2011 are "AAA level" compared to previous drafts. MLD2010 was after a 30 team draft, this one is after a 40 team draft, so the talent pool is much weaker than in MLD2010. Though personally, I think a guy with Campbell's record should have been drafted as a bottom pairing puck mover in a 40 team draft.

Dreakmur: No, he was not a "must have been" anything in 2007. He was what he was. A solid, but unspectacular defenseman playing for the best team in the league at the time. Yet with all those big PP minutes for a team that was finally scoring, he could only put up 4 more points in 4 more minutes played per game. I can concede that he might have been decent enough in his own zone that year, but that doesn't make up for half a career of incompetence. Besides, they probably looked at his shiny plus minus, and were like "ohhh, shiny!". Vanek was plus 47. I watched that team play. They did anything but play defense.
Half a career of incompetence? LMAO. You're hilarious. Which half was that?

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