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09-07-2011, 10:19 PM
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And it's high time someone applied your logic against you. Campbell might have been first on that team.. but who was he better than? Henrik Tallinder, Teppo Numminen and Toni Lydman. None of these guys, except Numminen, will see ATD duty. The "competition for ice time" on that team wasn't much better than what Gibbs' had to deal with, as far as I can tell. Numminen at the tail end of his career, and two guys who would barely crack any other lineup. Campbell got all the PP time in the world to pad his stats (which he failed at, IIRC), and was otherwise getting points by feeding passes to two stacked forward lines, and was used as the #1 because nobody else was better. Make no mistake - Miller and their ridiculous offense carried that team, not Campbell.
And where did Gibbs carry his team?

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Ehrhoff wasn't exactly competing with excellent defensemen for ice time.

When Campbell arrived, he started smoking Ehrhoff for ice time. Otherwise, Vlasic, Rivet, McLaren.
Wait, I thought Campbell sucked?

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Boyle and Vlasic were smoking him in TOI/G, and an aging Rob Blake beat him as well. He was a #3-4 this year.
Boyle, Vlasic, Blake, Ehrhoff - most people who actually watched the games thought that was one of the best top 4s in the league.

San Jose traded Ehrhoff because they were so stacked, they didn't need him. Edit: They needed to cut cap space and were stacked on D. They obviously would have kept him without the cap.

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Ehrhoff beating a young Edler, Mitchell and Bieksa isn't exactly world beating, and he wasn't 1st by much. The top-4 guys on this group all had very comparable TOI/G.
And finally.. Edler and Ehrhoff comfortably in 1st in TOI/G, the only real year that he was a clear cut top pairing d-man, and Edler was actually beating him in TOI/G by a hair. Hamhuis and Bieksa rounded out the top-4.
So basically, he was a top guy on great teams like we said.


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