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09-21-2011, 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Sarcastic View Post
Would have traded Raymond instead of Grabner. Knew right after his good season that teams would key in on him more and he would struggle. Not saying the same would have happened if we put Grabner in his place but Grabner is able to play a stronger game than Raymond.

Plus Raymond's value will never be as high ever again.
20/20 hindsight talent evaluation. You should be drawing to inside straights and betting long shots at the track.

At the time Grabner had not demonstrated he could play a stronger game than Raymond and in fact at the Panthers camp he was so unimpressive that the offensively challenged Panthers waived him. The same thing would have almost assuredly happened in Vancouver and he would have been lost on waivers with no return. Also note that the three teams that passed on Grabner with prior waiver claim status to NYI all had people familiar with Grabner:

Oilers (Tambellini)

Leafs (Nonis/Burke)

CBJ (Scott Arneil)

And all three of those teams passed.

Mike Gillis disagrees with you as he noted Grabner was a "redundant asset" and that he was trading potential not performance. Raymond was coming off a 25 goal 2009-10 season - the same number of goals that Kesler scored with both of them playing 82 games. Mason Raymond has become a Top Six forward on an elite team.

Mike Gillis when asked about his mantra of building through the draft and developing players in the system being seemingly set aside in trading Grabner and a first round pick:
"When you have the Hart Trophy winner (Henrik Sedin) and six 25-goal scorers, you have to change your viewpoint," said Gillis, who also gave up winger Steve Bernier in the package.

"We're trying to get close to the Stanley Cup final today. We don't have enough top-quality defence-men. Ballard can play big minutes."
~ Canucks swap for Florida's Ballard - Matheson, Jim. Edmonton Journal [Edmonton, Alta] 26 June 2010: pp. C.4

This was reported by Jason Botchford at the time as well about Grabner being described by Gillis as a redundant asset.

They did surrender a first-round pick, but only after their scouts determined there wasn't a prospect on the board worth taking. In addition, they lost Michael Grabner, but convinced the Florida Panthers to take on Steve Bernier and his $2 million US salary.

Grabner is the only asset of real value the Canucks coughed up. But for all his promise and hypnotizing speed, he is the Canucks' fourth-best prospect behind Cody Hodgson, Jordan Schroeder and Cory Schneider. There will be angst about what kind of player he will become but he had nowhere to play in the Canucks lineup in 2010-11 and became, as GM Mike Gillis pointed out, redundant.

What Vancouver didn't need in Grabner -- another soft goal-scorer -- they did need in Ballard.
~ Ballard wants more pressure; wish granted. Botchford, Jason. The Province [Vancouver, B.C] 27 June 2010: pp. A.58.

In the same circumstances Gillis still makes that trade 10 times out of 10.

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