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11-04-2003, 06:33 PM
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Just to put things in perspective here Gretzky has 84 points less than Mario Lemieux and Jaromir Jagr combined as of this day, and Wayne played in 363 less games than they did.

Dawg made a good point about Orr revolutionising the position of defense, but you could say that Wayne turned the whole league upside-down in the 80's. The nhl actually changed the 4-on-4 rule just because Wayne and Jari were so dominant. People say "that was during the most offensive period ever in the league", but for those of us who were watching hockey back then we all remember hearing the "only defense can win the Stanley Cup" theory that was briefly laid to rest (although the Oilers did play some good defense in the playoffs on occasion). Wayne and the Oilers ushered in that era of offense hockey thank you very much.

In favour of Mario, I will say that he was as good or better than Wayne in a strictly one-on-one scenario, but hockey is a team game and Wayne used his teammates better than anyone else ever has, and by a very wide margin. B4 Wayne came along nobody ever tried to pass the puck through the air, now even I do it in beer league hockey. That's revolution 4 ya. Wayne was the best, no doubt about it. Mario learned a lot from Wayne when he played for team Canada and he has publicly admitted that it was a turning point in his career.

1Wayne
2Mario
3Orr

4Howe
5Messier

6twenty way tie

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