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01-07-2012, 05:16 PM
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I would go more in-depth, but there's only a couple relevant points in your post.
First of all, I'm well aware there's much more to defense then just rebounding, but unlike you, I'm able to tell the difference between good and not-so-good defense. Bargnani is a fairly good man-to-man defender. His help-defense, however, is nowhere near mediocre, it's simply
. That, however, can be covered up (to an extent) with a good defensive system (which we've seen). This brings me to my second point.
You claim that rebounding is a team responsibility which is, to an extent, true. It's funny though, that you fail to realize that defense is also a team responsibility.
Our defensive system is set-up in a way that helps our bigs. We (the Raptors) collapse on the inside, making it very difficult for opposing teams to get easy baskets by clogging the lane, and forcing passes to the outside. I, personally, really like this system, however it can leave the perimeter wide-open, which was shown in last nights game. It's the
responsibility to be aware if this and help each other out, not one player's.
Oh well, continue living in your dream world, in which DeMar is an NBA D-Leaguer and Andrea Bargnani is the next coming of Larry Bird.
So most of my points are irrelevant because they go against your opion that Bargs is among the worst defensive rebounders in the NBA ?
Our team D gets exposed because overall we're below avg man D defenders . Jose's our worst and gets torched by any good pg . There is no system that can cover up when the oposition is getting in the paint at will . If we had a dominate Big defender this would cover up this problem wthout having to collaspe our entire D but since we don't we get burned when they kick the ball out .
Also , I have always said defense is a team game , but everyone has to contribute or the D falls apart .
One last thing about rebounding , I couldn't care less if all our bigs avg 3 boards a game and just concentrated on boxing out and letting our smalls grab the boards . To me this would limit the other teams O boards more than just trying to out jump the other team for rebounds .
The problem you have with me and my opinion about DD is that you don't think there's any middle ground between superstar and scrub . I think DD's absolute ceiling is just below a star level player . I don't know if will get there but i do believe he could easily be a quality piece on a winning team if he becomes a slightly better and more consistent defender as well as a rebounder and improves in his understanding of how to fit into the flow of our teams offense as opposed to trying to become a great iso player ( which i don't think he will ever become ) .
My views on Bargs are that he'll never become a good overall rebounder . His D boards aren't that bad which i have already shown .His man D has for the most part has always been good . His help D is mediocre not awful regardless of your opinion . ( for some reason it seems when the D breaks down it's always his fault which is flipping retarded ) .
I don't think he's the second coming of Bird but he's played great so far this year . On offense his eff. is way up and he's moving the ball extremly well and finding his teamates for quality looks . He's not forcing shots and not just settling for j's . He's driving to the basket hard and getting to the line . He draws fouls and double teams which opens up the floor for his teamates . He's upped his entire game this year and i'm giving the guy some credit after him being the whipping boy for years . Alot of fans have hated this guy for so long they can't accept that he's gotten off to a great start . It's still very early so it remains to be seen if he can keep it up however .
This isn't a DD vs. Bargs battle for control of the team like you seem to think it is . Neither of them are good enough to take over the team and lead us anywhere . We still need alot of help and that should be coming this off season in J-Val and the draft pick .
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