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01-27-2012, 04:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Go For It View Post
I don't get the point you're making. You say Giroux dominates on ES, yet his +/- is 0 (which isn't the best stat in the world, but whatever). Also, how does his +/-, which is calculated at ES, have anything to do at all with PK ability?
Originally Posted by Damaged Goods View Post
I agree with your point, but Giroux is actually negative at ES because he gets a + for SH goals.

Obviously a lot of it has to do with the team's low SV%, whatever you think the root of that is.
Yes, SH goals are included in the +/- in addition to even strength goals.

Claude Groux hasn't scored a SH goal all season so far and therefore he does not get a PLUS but only MINUSES when he is playing on the PK. Right?

Sean Couturier, who is first in shorthanded TOI, is a +13 overall.
Couturier does either a) score more even strengths goals than G or he b) gets scored on less when playing the PK. We know that a) is not true.

Conclusion: Cooter is a better penalty killer than G.
You get a similar result if you compare G to Matt Read in regard to the PK when checking the same numbers.

Maybe there is a far better way to do this evaluation? Maybe I'm getting confused about how the +/- is calculated? Please tell me because I really want to understand....

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