Lebrun: Canuck and others looking at Moen
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01-29-2012, 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by
Did you read the question.....
If enforcers are important to winning... why do teams regularly scratch their enforcers IN THE PLAYOFFS, when winning is most important?
Are you telling me that every team in the NHL still doesn't understand the importance of having them on the roster in the playoffs when they have used these guys all season.
11 Bruins.... Thornton... healthy scratch for 7 playoff games.
10 Blackhawks.... have no enforcer according to your Eager is not an enforcer statements.
09 Penguins... Godard 71/82 RS games... 0 playoff games.
08 RedWings... Downey 56 RS games.... 0 playoff games..
07 Ducks... Shane Obrien 62 RS games... 0 playoff games... George Parros... 0 playoff games.
06 Canes.... no enforcer... even traded Jesse Boulerice away during the season.
You are dodging a lot of my points and it shows.
I already told you that you don't need of an enforcer once you are in the playoffs simply because the other teams stopped carrying an enforcer.
Playoff games are not the same. The Bruins could've goon up against the Habs, the Flyers, the Lightnings and the Canucks like they normally do during the regular season but almost nothing happened. Those are the playoffs, not the regular season.
Originally Posted by
There is a difference between a guy who is tough and can play the game and a pure goon.
There quite simply is no good reason why a pure goon who is a liability n the ice is needed.
A goon is, first, a player that enforces, whatever are his hockey skills. A goon is an enforcer. The days where all the teams carried a player that didn't follow the game are over. Colton Orr, Eric Godard, Donald Brashear, DJ King, Raitis Ivanans or Pierre-Luc Létourneau-Leblond are all playing in the minors now (even Brashear is playing in the LNAH). Kevin Westgarth, Paul Bissonnette, Steve MacIntyre all are scratches now. But there are plenty of goons that can follow the game, take a 5-7 minutes a game shift and not hurt their teams.
Chris Neil easily is a 3rd liner and a good player around the net on the PP.
Mike Rupp easily is a good 4th liner that doesn't bring much offense but that follows the game.
George Parros takes 7 minutes without hurting his team.
Shawn Thornton takes a good 9 minutes per game and is an okay 4th liner.
Krys Barch takes a 4th line shift without hurting his team.
Jared Boll isn't good with the puck but he is a good player on Blue Jackets' penalty killing unit.
Jim Vandermeer is a proven good shutdown/stay at home defenseman.
Same for Matt Carkner.
Deryk Engelland takes a regular shift (12-15 minutes) with the Penguins as their 6th defenseman.
Milan Lucic is one of the best powerforwards in the game.
Cody McCormick is a 4th line centerman that puts up 20pts a year.
Ryane Clowe is one of the best powerforwards in the league also.
John Erskine became over the years a regular 6th or 7th defenseman.
I mean who would you take first? Michael Blunden or Jared Boll? Mathieu Darche or Shawn Thornton?
We in Montreal put 4th liners on the ice that are not going to represent a normal checking line. Is Jared Boll a worst hockey player than Petteri Nokelainen? Is George Parros a worst hockey player than Mathieu Darche? Last year, we signed Alexandre Picard to a contract to be our 7th defenseman, but seriously, would Jim Vandermeer, Deryk Engelland or Matt Carkner have been worst than Picard? Not sure.
After those enforcers, you have another bunch of scrappers that can play the game and that solidify your team's team toughness. Arron Asham, Brandon Prust, Travis Moen, Jamal Mayers, Dan Carcillo, Gregory Campbell, Adam McQuaid, Johnny Boychuk, Zac Rinaldo, Derek Dorsett, Paul Gaustad, Zenon Konopka, etc... after signing one of the enforces above in the post, you sign a couple of the names amongst Ashams and Prusts, and here you have your team toughness.
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