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01-31-2012, 11:44 AM
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Boston has drafted well in that time period but not better than Timmins. Here are Boston's results
When you look at quantity Timmins destroys them and when you look at quality (their top drafted talent) they still come up second.
Again, you give more value to Boston's prospects because the team won a Cup. Well, you give us Chiarelli instead of Bobsled or The Ghost and I maintain Montreal would have won more than one cup and would have probably been in the finals 3 or 4 times.
No scouting staff can fulfill all your needs. That's why you have a GM to take the surpluses and trade them for needs. Chiarelli did that. Holmgren did that. Gainey & Gauthier didn't. Bobsled & The Ghost remind me of rich boys I went to school with. They would give their allowance away to their poorer friends just because they were that way.
What you overlook is the waste and terrible asset management by those two bunglers.
With Timmins and his staff in place teamed by a half decent GM (not even a very good one just a half decent one) we would be talking about a dynasty in Montreal and not a bottom feeder.
You realize in those 5 years (between 03 & 07) Timmins has had 17 prospects make it as NHLers. That's almost a complete team. Only an idiot or idiots could take those riches and squander them so badly that we've become a lottery pick.
In many ways this Habs team reminds me of the Expos. Great drafting but for one reason or another can't hold onto our talent or convert a talent or two (we have too much of) into a different sort of talent we need.
The more I think about this the angrier I get. We have the best man in the league working for us in the scouting department but we have had two GMs that I claim have been worse than Houle.
When Rejean took over there was nothing in the cupboard. Savard had been sleeping on the job forthe last 4-5 years. Houle had to rebuild the scouting staff and had to cut payroll because Molson (the company not the family) were looking to save money.
Gainey & Gauthier didn't have that. They had owners that wanted to win and they had a head scout that is the best at his job and they brought us to this point. 3-4 points from last place. These two GMs are worse than Houle.
What I overlooked? Again, I'm been known as this terrible pessimistic guy for continuously bashing this duo we've had for the last 8 years. And I KEEP saying that we should stop giving picks away so we'd let the guy WHO IS OUR GREATEST ASSET IN OUR TEAM, work. So unless you don't know me and my opinions on the subject, you know that I'm one of their harsher critics.
As far as quality is concerned of both teams, again, while I do know that Chiarelli surrounded them better, those Boston players themselves have also helped the new acquire players to shine as well. And they even got themselves going. We could cleary say that Marchand is doing an incredible job yet, maybe he's doing it because of Bergeron. So that bunch they've drafted permitted for that team to do great in the playoffs. Yes, the additions of Thomas and Chara isn't too shabby, I obviously know. And their GM was also able to get a Rask for a Raycroft while we were able to get a Eller for a Halak. I know all of that. But most of our list, you can still say that most of them are still unproven on a long run and in the playoffs. Chances are you would take Bergeron ahead of most of that list. And you'd take Lucic ahead of most of it as well. And again, I'm not sure where I'm bashing Timmins buy anyway. Though, I do mention that he's way more impressive in his later rounds than in his 1st rounds. That's just a fact. 2003, 2004, 2006 could have been better. And we will find it out soon for 2009-2011. Then you look at who he was able to find in later rounds from Streit, Halak and Co and that is impressive. But there were strategies I didn't like, the 2006-2007 strategy of going with prioritizing d-men and not BPA, though I am, SOMETIMES, for needs as well but not like that. I also think that we should be better at our 2 most important locations we love, which is the Q and the US. We could be better. Timmins might be the best. But I believe even a #1 could improve. Not sure how I can word it differently. He's OBVIOUSLY not a problem, I'm pretty sure that naming him THE GREATEST ASSET WE HAVE, as a compliment and a proof that he's not a problem. So it is a thread about discussing Timmins and Co., what we like, what we don't. Not a thread entitled "Who is the biggest problem we have".
So now, the question is....if we have the best head scout in the league who is destroying everybody else....how the **** are we still a playoff contender team? And if the answer is the GM and his group, how the **** do anybody in here keep defending them? How the heck can you be so great and yet have to buy yourself a core of smurfs because you're simply screwed and have no choice....
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