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02-05-2012, 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Habs Junkie View Post
Much was said around here in the last 24 hours, some of you attacked me cause I called out Josh Gorges. It seems that questioning his value to the team is a big no-no around here. Posters were saying that Gorges is the Heart and Soul of the team. Even Math Man the poster was questioning the amount of data available to analyse this. So I decided to do some research and put together some reading for all you arm chair GMs.

Here's a list of 15 of the top 30 defencemen in shot blocking in the NHL. I went through each one of them and picked the players with the closest style that would resemble to Josh Gorges, using shot blocking as the main criteria, age, size, stats and contractual situations.

Josh Gorges - Montreal Canadiens - Age: 27 Height: 6' 1" Weight: 200
Length: 6 Year(S) Value: $23,400,000 Cap Hit: $2,500,000
Regular Season 52 2 10 12 10 32

Mark Stuart- Winnipeg Jets - Age: 27 Height: 6' 2" Weight: 213
Length: 3 Year(S) Value: $5,100,000 Cap Hit: $1,700,000
Regular Season 51 3 4 7 -6 76

Ladislav Smid - Edmonton Oilers - Age: 26 Height: 6' 3" Weight: 210
Length: 2 Year(S) Value: $4,500,000 Cap Hit: $2,250,000
Regular Season 52 3 5 8 -6 34

Daniel Girardi - New York Rangers - Age: 27 Height: 6' 1" Weight: 206
Length: 4 Year(S) Value: $13,300,000 Cap Hit: $3,325,000
Regular Season 49 4 13 17 9 12

Bryan Allen - Carolina Hurricanes - Age: 31 Height: 6' 5" Weight: 226
Length: 5 Year(S) Value: $14,500,000 Cap Hit: $2,900,000
Regular Season 54 0 7 7 -1 52

Brett Clark - Tampa Bay Lightning - Age: 35 Height: 6' 0" Weight: 194
Length: 2 Year(S) Value: $3,000,000 Cap Hit: $1,500,000
Regular Season 51 2 7 9 -16 18

Kevin Klein - Nashville Predators - Age: 27 Height: 6' 1" Weight: 200
Length: 3 Year(S) Value: $4,050,000 Cap Hit: $1,350,000
Regular Season 45 3 10 13 -8 4

Francois Beauchemin - Anaheim Ducks - Age: 31 Height: 6' 0" Weight: 207
Length: 3 Year(S) Value: $10,500,000 Cap Hit: $3,800,000
Regular Season 51 6 12 18 -2 37

Eric Brewer - Tampa Bay Lightning - Age: 32 Height: 6' 3" Weight: 220
Length: 4 Year(S) Value: $15,400,000 Cap Hit: $3,850,000
Regular Season 51 1 11 12 -1 31

Dennis Seidenberg - Boston Bruins - Age: 30 Height: 6' 1" Weight: 210
Length: 4 Year(S) Value: $13,000,000 Cap Hit: $3,250,000
Regular Season 50 3 16 19 14 26

Nick Schultz - Minnesota Wild - Age: 29 Height: 6' 1" Weight: 200
Length: 6 Year(S) Value: $21,000,000 Cap Hit: $3,500,000
Regular Season 52 0 2 2 -5 18

Chris Phillips - Ottawa Senators - Age: 33 Height: 6' 3" Weight: 221
Length: 3 Year(S) Value: $9,250,000 Cap Hit: $3,083,333
Regular Season 53 0 13 13 1 12

Matt Carle - Philadelphia Flyers - Age: 27
Length: 4 Year(S) Value: $13,750,000 Cap Hit: $3,437,500
Regular Season 51 4 24 28 3 24

Douglas Murray - San Jose Sharks - Age: 31 Height: 6' 3" Weight: 240
Length: 4 Year(S) Value: $10,000,000 Cap Hit: $2,500,000
Regular Season 40 0 4 4 7 25

Ryan O'byrne - Colorado Avalanche - Age: 27 Height: 6' 5" Weight: 234
Length: 2 Year(S) Value: $3,600,000 Cap Hit: $1,800,000
Regular Season 54 1 5 6 -1 39

Jay Harrison - Carolina Hurricanes - Age: 29 Height: 6' 4" Weight: 211
Length: 2 Year(S) Value: $1,400,000 Cap Hit: $700,000
Regular Season 44 7 12 19 -2 40

I skipped certain players like Niklas Hjalmarsson, Carl Gunnarsson and Ryan McDonagh because of their age and contract situations. I also didn't see a point in comparing guys like Hal Gill, Kimmo Timonen, Filip Kuba, Roman Hamrlik and Brent Seabrook.

This list is pretty accurate. It shows you some good comparables to Gorges, and what other teams paid for these type of services.

Gauthier got fleeced by Gorges' agent...hard! The Canadiens didn't set a bar with this contract but overpaid big time. This is why I'm so hard on Gorges. His tires were being pumped so hard by some of you and the media, that when Gauthier realized the season was going down the toilet, he tried saving his ass by pleasing the fans who completely overrated this type of player. Yes Gauthier is a MORON, but Gorges agent also pushed for such a big deal and Gorges is now eating a large chunk of the cap. No way do we ever get value on this contract.

And for those who are saying he's a +12 on the worst team, I say he better be a +12 playing on the top pair when you are a defensive specialist. Being a top pair D, also means you are playing with other top players at the same time who are more likely to be put in offensive situations. Gorges is the main guy out of 5 players on the ice at any given time who thinks defense only, so it is logical teams score less when he's on, and also logical that he's on during scoring plays. It does not mean he made the play or contributed to the goal.

bottom line, we needed to re-sign him.

We had to pay a bigger premium b/c Gauthier was "too smart" to extend him long term last year.

At the time, quite conceivable that we could have gotten 3-6 years @ ~3M/per, instead, they gave him a 1-year deal, ostensibly to "make sure" he'd come back from the injury and be the same player he was before leaving, and as a result, had to pay him as an impending UFA at the start of his prime.

His cap hit is a bit high, but 2 things to consider:

- intangibles: no doubt that Gorges is very much a key leader within the team, and will continue to be that regardless of what letter he has on his shirt. He's the kind of leader you want to have on your team.

- quite possible that he continues to improve. given his work ethic/character, I see Gorges as the type of player/athlete that will continue to improve every year, in every aspect of his game. I wouldn't be surprised at all if his offensive game continues to improve over the course of the next 3-4 years, and ends up as a ~30pt dman who plays a shut-down defensive role.


in short, right now he's perhaps a bit "overpaid" (thanks to a lack of foresight on the part of our GM), and really we're only talking about 500-750K on the cap... hardly a sum worth complaining about.
at worst he'll maintain a consistent level of play, at best, he'll end up being a bargain at the price.


Good extension, just too bad Gauthier wasn't saavy enough to pull the trigger on it sooner thus getting us a smaller cap hit.

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