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Partially yes, but he also didn't try and fix it Dave Taylor style by going out and trading for another un of the mill goalie. Remember the wisdom of giving up Huet to get garon? Huet for the next three years was a damn good goalie. Garon struggled to stay in the NHL.
At least DL gave Quick a chance instead of running to the next cast off option.
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Cloutier and his extention ring a bell? or Sean Burke?
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How is JJ a wash? And it's far to early to judge the Richards trade. About the only three trades I say were downright bad were the Cloutier, Penner and Purcell ones, and IIRC, only the Cloutier trade was panned on these boards at the time. Every GM does bad trades, that's the name of the game. Also long as the team keeps getting better overtime, I'm fine with it. We still have a good pipeline of youth (though it would be nice to see more top end talent, I agree), have a very young core, aren't addled with any bad contracts past this season and if DL were to be fired tomorrow, this team could do some damage under a new GM. They don't have a lot of damage which will take years to undo as you claim.
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Gleason and Johnson are a wash IMO. Gleason is FAR better defensively while Johnson has an offensive (albeit inconsistent) edge. The only trade that Lombardi has clearly won was for Williams. We'll see if the 4 year contract extention was a mistake which offset the original trade. All of his other high profile trades have been bad ones. I'll stand by my Richards comments (just like I'll stand by my Penner comments from almost a year ago). Finally, our "pipeline of talent" is no better than any other in the NHL at this point...and there are certainly no elite prospects in the pool.
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This is IMO the biggest misconception regarding prospects on HFboards. This isn't directed towards you specifically Judge, but there's a lot more steps to a prospect going to the NHL than 1) Get drafted, 2) go to NHL.
There is a development process that needs to take place. It's what brings players along at the proper pace. Outside of guys like Doughty, who can really jump straight into the NHL and play?
If you look at the likes of Nabokov and Kiprusoff and Toskala in San Jose, and then Quick and Bernier in LA, you'll see that all were brought along at rough the same pace. A bit different route, given the SJ trio came from Europe, but still, a slow, steady development where they were given lots of playing time and not rushed into something they weren't ready for. All a draft is about is finding the raw talent. that's the scouts job, find a guy who can do a job well and has the athleticism to grow into the position at the NHL level. But scouts don't develop a player, that's where the system comes into place.
Under DT we didn't have that system. Heck, most years we didn't even have our own farm team so dictating who gets a bit more preference in playing time and situations didn't happen. DL has his flaws, but developing players hasn't proven to be one of them. he did well in SJ and he's doing well overall here as well IMO. Quick is arguably the greatest example of that.
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And this is the biggest canard in the whole Lombardi mirage...that he "developed" Quick. Like the 71 games that Quick played in the AHL and ECHL over the space of 1 1/2 years "developed" him. Come on. Quick was a GREAT draft choice who would be a star on any of the 30 teams in the league. The only reason he came up so early was because Cloutier was a disaster and the Kings had gone through every other option.