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Originally Posted by Macbeth
If you can't surmise what my position is from our recent exchange you are one thick-skulled feller.
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I can surmise from your double speak that you don't want to answer the question. Would you deal him for a top ten pick? Yes or no?
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Originally Posted by MasterDecoy
man, your record is soooooo broken by now i don't even need to read your posts to know what they say.
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Yeah, I was way off when I said we should deal away Souray. And that time that I suggested that Koivu should be dealt for Bobby Ryan and everyone disagreed... boy was I ever out to lunch. When I trashed the Gomez and Gionta deals I sure was crazy. And all those years that I've said we'd be a bubble team? What was I thinking?
Man have I ever been wrong on all this stuff. Good thing we're contenders now.
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Originally Posted by MasterDecoy
and to answer the above question: no. besides, i doubt anybody would trade a top 10 pick for cole regardless. you're loading the question to push the answer one way. and he's got an ironclad NTC so it's pointless to argue about it.
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Why the hell not? And please don't hide behind (we can't do it or he has a NTC) this is a message board man. Please explain how in the world it makes sense for a last place team to hold onto a 33 year old player who's having a career year instead of getting a top 10 pick to help us build for down the road?
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Originally Posted by MasterDecoy
as shown by hal gill's mentorship of gorges and subban, you need some veterans on a team. when you don't, you get islander/oilers-type of situations.
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So if we trade away Cole the sky will fall? Dude, mentors are great but they shouldn't come at the expense of great prospects. If you don't have great prospects, then all the mentoring in the world isn't worth squat. You're putting the cart before the horse. There's absolutely no reason not to deal this guy away if we had the opportunity. We're a last place team that isn't close to contending. Giving up a 33 year old makes perfect sense if he brings that kind of return.
And you're kind of proving my point. A few years back I suggested we deal away Markov. Go look at the thread where people laugh about the suggestion of trading him for JVRD or Giroux and a pick. Folks around here talked about how he couldn't go because he had to mentor Subban. Well guess what? The guy missed the last two seasons anyway and Gill was just fine as a mentor. Just because Cole goes away that doesn't mean there aren't others to pick up the slack. Pleks and Gionta can handle that role. The world won't end if we trade away Cole.
We all know he's got a NTC. We also don't know what we could get in return. But that's not the point of this discussion. The question is WOULD you deal him if the opportunity arose. And for you to sit there and tell me that you wouldn't ship off this 33 year old player because he's a mentor... just tells me you don't know what you're talking about.
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Originally Posted by Carey Price
Exactly...not for Jurco or Scwartz but for a top 5 overall talent...Huberdeau, Schenn, Ryan, Seguin, Strome etc
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This is right up there with your "I wouldn't trade Pleks away unless it included Malkin" type silliness. Cole is nowhere near worth a Seguin. To put the standard up there is ludicrous in the extreme.