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02-22-2012, 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by TheDevilMadeMe View Post
Herb Gardiner was selected a 2nd Team All Star by the NHL managers in 1927-28, the season after his Hart win. So his second best season is definitely better than Carlyle's second best. I'd take him over either Mohns or Carlyle. Plager's definitely the worst of the bunch, though.
Carlyle has some Norris consideration beyond his win too.

I might take Gardiner too, but I think you have to at least see that they're relatively close.

Originally Posted by markrander87 View Post
Haha let's completely ignore all of the pre-NHL seasons Gardiner has had prior to joing Montreal.
Not ignoring them, but they are no more significant than Carlyle's non-Norris seasons. They're probably less significant.

Also Gardiners "1 year" blows Carlyles out of the water.
I'm not even sure it's better, let alone way better.

An old Hart, which may or may not mean he was the best defenseman, vs. a modern Norris.

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